Thunder At Sea Question???

[watcharayui]

I've just bought Thunder At Sea and stick with it for about a month.I have some few question,can anyone answer my question,Please?

1.Is there anyway to extend 'Odyssy' Campaign to the end of the year or some further month in 1942.
2.Why there is 2 'Nagara' CL ships(name not class) in ABDA campaign,if it's a mistake,can i remove her or change her name.
3.There is the Nagara Class CL,that called Yura but in Fighting Steel/FSP it's called Yuru.Can I correct her name without crashing the game.

[William Miller]

Hello,

I believe that as long as the ship name (that you wish to change to) exists in the FSP database you can change to that name in the TAS scenario, yes.

The starting and end dates are located in the "CampaignInfo.cfg" file in the scenario folder. However it may/will cause game play issues if you extend the scenario much longer, you would have to try different values to find out if any serious issues develop.

Always remember to back up your game files before modifying them of course.

Thanks.

[watcharayui]

Thanks, William.

[Richard Mortimer]

There are a couple of ways you can do this depending on what best suits what you want.

In TAS you need to update the AxisCampaignShips file and the *.scn file to reflect the correct name that is reflected in the FSP database. You can also change the shortname in the *.scn file if you do not want to be confused with a different name showing for this ship while you are in FSP as the screen display shows whatever the short name is for the ship. In this way you will not have to worry about FSP crashing or TAS not being able to find the ship when you go back to TAS after completing the FSP A Tas Scenario battle.

If you want to modify the A Tas Scenario file you have to do this before opening FSP automatically from TAS, as otherwise FSP will crash when you try to load the A Tas Scenario as it does not recognize the ship name. After the battle is resolved you must also change the name in the end of engagement file back to the name in TAS, otherwise when you load the battle results back into TAS, it will not be able to find the ship as the name in the end of engagement file does not match the name in TAS.

If for some reason you wanted to have additional fictional ships for a particular class (for example more Yamato class, Montana class, H Class etc), then it takes a bit more effort but you can do this. If you want to do this let me know and I will explain what you need to do.



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[watcharayui]

First of all, Thank you very very much,Richard. You guys are just like Merlin wizard to me.
Making my dreams come true. So,I have some more questions.Here it is.
1.Why the additional class ship's 2D/3D picture in FSP doesn't have detail on it's surface (just like an unpainted ship model) ,can anyone do anything about it?.
2.Since i'm Thai and we're so proud of our coastal defence ship Dhonburi class,can i add more new different class,can i create my own 3D Dhonburi class?
3.Adding ship to existing class is interesting,please tell me how? it looks like Italian fleet missing CA Bolzano or some other CL ship?
4.Something strange about King George V Class,it's very formidable to a torpedo?I used to hit her with 7 German torpedoes in an hour fight and she's still floating??? In screen after the battle,her floating point dropping about a half???Oh my.Have you experience this?
Thank you for answering.

[William Miller]

First of all, Thank you very very much,Richard. You guys are just like Merlin wizard to me.
Making my dreams come true. So,I have some more questions.Here it is.
1.Why the additional class ship's 2D/3D picture in FSP doesn't have detail on it's surface (just like an unpainted ship model) ,can anyone do anything about it?.
2.Since i'm Thai and we're so proud of our coastal defence ship Dhonburi class,can i add more new different class,can i create my own 3D Dhonburi class?
3.Adding ship to existing class is interesting,please tell me how? it looks like Italian fleet missing CA Bolzano or some other CL ship?
4.Something strange about King George V Class,it's very formidable to a torpedo?I used to hit her with 7 German torpedoes in an hour fight and she's still floating??? In screen after the battle,her floating point dropping about a half???Oh my.Have you experience this?
Thank you for answering.

Hello again,

Unfortunately it is not possible for players to add new ships to FS/FSP. That requires a proprietary tool (and file format) that we did not have permission to share when we worked on the project.

The FSP-added models could have only simple textures included because of issues with the converter tools and newer versions of the modeling software used, a limitation of working on an older game.

[Richard Mortimer]

Hi

Regarding your questions please see my comments below:
1.Why the additional class ship's 2D/3D picture in FSP doesn't have detail on it's surface (just like an unpainted ship model) ,can anyone do anything about it?
No as explained by William
2.Since i'm Thai and we're so proud of our coastal defence ship Dhonburi class,can i add more new different class,can i create my own 3D Dhonburi class?
No, as explained by William we cannot add any new classes of ships to FSP or modify the existing classes either
3.Adding ship to existing class is interesting,please tell me how? it looks like Italian fleet missing CA Bolzano or some other CL ship?
If you want to add any extra ships to any particluar class for use in TAS and FSP then you need to do the following:
In TAS you need to add the name of the new ship to Axis or Allied CampaignShips file. So if you wanted to add a new Yamato class say Shinano (which was actually converted to a CV) then you need to add BB Shinano to the AxisCampaignShips file
You also need to add BB Shinano to the .scn file, so you need to copy the full data for a "real" Yamato class and then change the name and shortname to Shinano
If you now allocate Shinano to a task force which runs into the enemy then when the A Tas Scenario is created you need to manually edit it before launching FSP. In the A Tas Scenario file change the name to that of a real Yamato i.e. change the name of Shinano to Yamato or Musashi but leave the short name as Shinano. After completing the FSP battle you will then need to also edit the end of engagement file by changing the name of the ship back to Shinano. So for example if you had in one division Yamato, Musashi and Shinano then your end of engagement file will show your ships as Yamato, Musashi and Yamato and you need to change the name of the third ship back to Shinano before loading the results of the battle back into TAS. (If you have any problems with this let me know where you get stuck and I will help you further).
4.Something strange about King George V Class,it's very formidable to a torpedo?I used to hit her with 7 German torpedoes in an hour fight and she's still floating??? In screen after the battle,her floating point dropping about a half???Oh my.Have you experience this?
There are a number of reasons for this including high KM dud ratios, low KM torpedo explosive charges compared to say the IJN Long Lance and don't forget the KGV class was actually one of the heaviest side armoured BB's of WW2. it just lacked a bit of punching power because of the 14" guns, which arguably in North Atlantic weather was not that much of a disadvantage as you had more chances of a hit with a 10 shell broadside and at close range a 14' shell would still be likely to do considerable damage (ask the Scharnhorst!)

[watcharayui]

Hello, I've got new question for you guys.
When i open the TAS game,there is a dialog says something like "Cannot find 'Z' table,time zone may be not reliable' and i've noticed that in Pacific Campaign like ABDA or Guadalcanal, the time is wrong about 7-12 hours.But in Fighting Steel battle,It's correct .
Since i used Win XP and my regional time is Bangkok,Hanoi,Jakarta TimeZone+7,So what is the problem about displaying correct time in TAS game.

[William Miller]

Hello, I've got new question for you guys.
When i open the TAS game,there is a dialog says something like "Cannot find 'Z' table,time zone may be not reliable' and i've noticed that in Pacific Campaign like ABDA or Guadalcanal, the time is wrong about 7-12 hours.But in Fighting Steel battle,It's correct .
Since i used Win XP and my regional time is Bangkok,Hanoi,Jakarta TimeZone+7,So what is the problem about displaying correct time in TAS game.

Hello,

It sounds like you may have a bad install or corrupted game files -- I suggest that you backup any saved games you might have, uninstall TAS and FS/FSP (and delete all folders that exist related to those games), re-install everything and see if the issue repeats itself. If the issue still occurs, let me know in this thread and we will look at other potential causes. I really doubt your system local-time adjustment would be affecting the gametime clock, but I would not 100% rule it out given what I know of Windows :rolleyes:

Thanks.

[watcharayui]

Oh,my game files are definitely not corrupted.I've try to uninstall and reinstall for more than 3-4 time.Actually it happened since my first installation of TAS Demo 2 years ago!! and it happens everytime i launch the game no matter full ver.or demo.But everything goes fine except displaying time in Pacific theatre.

[William Miller]

Oh,my game files are definitely not corrupted.I've try to uninstall and reinstall for more than 3-4 time.Actually it happened since my first installation of TAS Demo 2 years ago!! and it happens everytime i launch the game no matter full ver.or demo.But everything goes fine except displaying time in Pacific theatre.

Hello,

Hum, in that case it may indeed be a localization issue. What language set is your operating system running in?

[watcharayui]

Maybe localization.In Regional and Language option,I've set Standards and Format,Location and Language to be 'Thai/Thailand'.Your settings are all 'English(US)/US' right?.I will try that when i get back home.

Thanks,
Yui

[William Miller]

Maybe localization.In Regional and Language option,I've set Standards and Format,Location and Language to be 'Thai/Thailand'.Your settings are all 'English(US)/US' right?.I will try that when i get back home.

Thanks,
Yui

Yui,

I would be interested to see what effect, if any, that has, yes.

Thanks!

[watcharayui]

A very busy week for me.It exactly says 'Could not find time zone information.Z-time conversions might be unreliable.'. After I change timezone in windows to some European time such as GMT Greenich, it disappeared.It's ok.
In Odyssey Campaign,I found out that after extending ending date to Dec.31,1942 in CampaignInfo file,the British fighting ship disappeared since Jan 1,1942 (I played Regina Marina).They sometime sent Transports without any escort to Malta,for 1 full year???!!!.How can I edit any files to send TF to fight me normally.I try to extend the Lastdate in AlliedMission file but it didn't work.Please teach me.

Thanks,

Yui

[Richard Mortimer]

Hi

You need to change the End Date in the CampaignInfo file and you also need to change the end date for each mission that you wish to continue in the Allied Mission file. You will see that some task forces are covering convoys (Look for MISSION=Cover and COVEREDFORCE=?? where ?? is the convoy that is being covered by this Task Force). If you want an increased possibility of other forces, for example an increased possibility of an enemy intercept or bombardment mission, then you need to also increase the probability of the mission (Look for PROB=??).

Richard

[watcharayui]

Of course, I change ending date in Campaign file to 31121942.
The problem is, although I change the ending date in every tast force (except from or to greece) to be 31121942 in Allied mission file, there's still no British fighting ship to oppose me from jan 1942 onwards. They just sometimes send a convoy without escort for me to sink,it's very boring. Looks like there is a task force but no fighting ships in it, So TF disappears when start playing.

Please help me, you guys I just want to play Regina Marina to the end of 1942

Thanks,
Yui

[Richard Mortimer]

Just a quick check, have you entered the dates as yearmonthday or daymonth year? TAS needs them to be input in the yearmonthday format so you need to enter them as 19421231 and not 31121942

[watcharayui]

OK,I originally change EndDate Like these in CampaignInfo
StartDate=19400712
EndDate=19421231

In AlliedMissions

NAME=Force J
PROB=100
FIRSTDATE=19410501
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Intercept
CASECOUNT=3
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3345N 02416E
RD=120 20
WP=3457N 02313E
WP=3555N 02337E
WP=3606N 02513E
WP=3607N 02353E
WP=3528N 02629E
WP=3309N 02737E
TP=3211N 02924E
TP=3140N 03344E
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3403N 02724E
RD=120 20
WP=3525N 02649E
WP=3544N 02610E
WP=3601N 02340E
WP=3613N 02548E
WP=3511N 02631E
WP=3200N 02931E
TP=3143N 03117E
TP=3147N 02903E
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3332N 02637E
RD=120 20
WP=3436N 02731E
WP=3523N 02646E
WP=3429N 02621E
WP=3458N 02305E
WP=3538N 02235E
WP=3440N 02257E
TP=3209N 02803E
TP=3217N 03121E
ENDMISSION

[MISSION]
NAME=Force N
PROB=90
FIRSTDATE=19410401
LASTDATE=19410531
SPEED=20
MISSION=TacTransport
CASECOUNT=3
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3146N 02723E
RD=40 20
WP=3306N 02501E
WP=3357N 02440E
WP=3418N 02502E
WP=3426N 02514E
WP=3435N 02500E
WP=3444N 02433E
Target=Sfakia
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3246N 02813E
RD=40 40
WP=3258N 02753E
WP=3417N 02718E
WP=3525N 02622E
WP=3538N 02547E
WP=3536N 02528E
WP=3534N 02513E
Target=Heraklion
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3238N 02956E
RD=40 40
WP=3345N 02721E
WP=3413N 02641E
WP=3448N 02640E
WP=3418N 02611E
WP=3427N 02545E
WP=3434N 02428E
Target=Sfakia
ENDMISSION
[MISSION]
NAME=Force K
PROB=15
FIRSTDATE=19401001
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Raid
CASECOUNT=4
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Valetta
DELAY=20
WP=3604N 01435E
WP=3545N 01519E
WP=3507N 01500E
WP=3453N 01113E
WP=3529N 01124E
WP=3551N 01114E
TP=3434N 01118E
TP=3541N 01128E
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Valetta
DELAY=16
WP=3604N 01452E
WP=3540N 01511E
WP=3439N 01140E
WP=3449N 01111E
WP=3507N 01117E
WP=3531N 01123E
TP=3333N 01636E
TP=3431N 01758E
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Valetta
DELAY=20
WP=3610N 01439E
WP=3545N 01705E
WP=3456N 01809E
WP=3337N 01746E
WP=3435N 01927E
WP=3331N 01709E
TP=3328N 01447E
TP=3233N 01545E
CASE4
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Valetta
DELAY=16
WP=3610N 01439E
WP=3545N 01705E
WP=3456N 01809E
WP=3337N 01746E
WP=3435N 01927E
WP=3331N 01709E
TP=3328N 01447E
TP=3233N 01545E
ENDMISSION
[MISSION]
NAME=Force M
PROB=30
FIRSTDATE=19410301
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Intercept
CASECOUNT=2
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3202N 02637E
WP=3245N 02331E
WP=3340N 02035E
WP=3444N 02004E
WP=3434N 01728E
WP=3440N 01632E
WP=3415N 01558E
TP=3358N 01520E
TP=3504N 01747E
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3222N 02516E
WP=3305N 02355E
WP=3427N 02122E
WP=3526N 01950E
WP=3413N 01836E
WP=3457N 01752E
WP=3412N 01655E
TP=3348N 01444E
TP=3307N 01839E
ENDMISSION
[MISSION1]
NAME=MW
PROB=30
FIRSTDATE=19400101
LASTDATE=19430101
SPEED=12
MISSION=FastConvoy
CASECOUNT=1
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
CWPI=4
LL=3340N 02230E
RD=100 20
Origin=Alexandria
WP=3204N 02903E
WP=3231N 02632E
WP=3304N 02310E
WP=3443N 02003E
WP=3505N 01626E
WP=3529N 01450E
WP=3545N 01440E
WP=3555N 01440E
Target=Valetta
ENDMISSION
[MISSION2]
NAME=Force B
PROB=999
FIRSTDATE=19400101
LASTDATE=19430101
SPEED=20
MISSION=Cover
COVEREDFORCE=MW
RELEASE=100
CASECOUNT=1
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=280
LL=333800N 0221600E
RD=20 20
WP=3230N 02723E
WP=3406N 01849E
ENDMISSION
[MISSION4]
NAME=Force C
PROB=20
FIRSTDATE=19400101
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=18
MISSION=Bombard
CASECOUNT=4
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3130N 02813E
WP=3242N 02551E
WP=3403N 02458E
WP=3500N 02632E
WP=3509N 02725E
WP=3515N 02742E
WP=3532N 02736E
Target=Scarpanto
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3146N 02943E
WP=3322N 02717E
WP=3427N 02530E
WP=3428N 02145E
WP=3406N 02005E
WP=3351N 01820E
WP=3243N 01925E
Target=Benghazi
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3148N 03003E
WP=3237N 02751E
WP=3315N 02735E
WP=3345N 02747E
WP=3436N 02808E
WP=3454N 02803E
WP=3525N 02817E
Target=Lakania
CASE4
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3213N 02748E
WP=3304N 02310E
WP=3443N 02230E
WP=3548N 02302E
WP=3540N 02324E
WP=3616N 02452E
WP=3555N 02626E
Target=Scarpanto
ENDMISSION
[MISSION6]
NAME=Force Q
PROB=100
FIRSTDATE=19410401
LASTDATE=19410531
SPEED=25
MISSION=TacTransport
CASECOUNT=3
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Alexandria
DELAY=4
WP=3229N 02736E
WP=3253N 02520E
WP=3338N 02415E
WP=3426N 02353E
WP=3710N 02359E
WP=3734N 02337E
Target=Sfakia
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Alexandria
DELAY=8
WP=3156N 02718E
WP=3239N 02630E
WP=3343N 02553E
WP=3507N 02634E
WP=3530N 02623E
WP=3540N 02531E
Target=Heraklion
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LOCATION=Alexandria
DELAY=4
WP=3210N 02528E
WP=3304N 02418E
WP=3414N 02340E
WP=3542N 02304E
WP=3557N 02400E
WP=3539N 02419E
Target=Suda Bay
ENDMISSION
[MISSION6]
NAME=Force D
PROB=45
FIRSTDATE=19401101
LASTDATE=19410430
SPEED=20
MISSION=TacTransport
CASECOUNT=3
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3146N 02723E
WP=3258N 02406E
WP=3410N 02205E
WP=3524N 02242E
WP=3550N 02343E
WP=3710N 02359E
WP=3734N 02337E
Target=Piraeus
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3132N 02932E
WP=3156N 02718E
WP=3239N 02630E
WP=3343N 02553E
WP=3507N 02634E
WP=3530N 02623E
WP=3540N 02531E
Target=Heraklion
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3145N 02942E
WP=3210N 02528E
WP=3304N 02418E
WP=3414N 02340E
WP=3542N 02304E
WP=3557N 02400E
WP=3539N 02419E
Target=Suda Bay
ENDMISSION
[MISSION7]
NAME=MX
PROB=25
FIRSTDATE=19400801
LASTDATE=19410331
SPEED=10
MISSION=Convoy
CASECOUNT=1
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=280
LL=3150N 02822E
RD=100 20
CWPI=3
Origin=Alexandria
WP=3130N 02911E
WP=3141N 02844E
WP=3205N 02744E
WP=3316N 02533E
WP=3509N 02314E
WP=3550N 02329E
WP=3634N 02329E
WP=3724N 02345E
Target=Piraeus
ENDMISSION
[MISSION8]
NAME=Force E
PROB=999
FIRSTDATE=19400101
LASTDATE=19410331
SPEED=18
MISSION=Cover
COVEREDFORCE=MX
RELEASE=130
CASECOUNT=1
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=280
LL=3248N 02650E
WP=3225N 02657E
WP=3512N 02250E
ENDMISSION
[MISSION9]
NAME=Force F
PROB=20
FIRSTDATE=19400801
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Bombard
CASECOUNT=2
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3340N 02230E
WP=3304N 02310E
WP=3443N 02003E
WP=3505N 01626E
WP=3529N 01450E
WP=3545N 01440E
WP=3555N 01440E
Target=Tripoli
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3340N 02230E
WP=3304N 02310E
WP=3443N 02003E
WP=3505N 01626E
WP=3529N 01450E
WP=3545N 01440E
WP=3555N 01440E
Target=Valona
ENDMISSION
[MISSION11]
NAME=Force U
PROB=20
FIRSTDATE=19410701
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Bombard
CASECOUNT=2
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3124N 02826E
WP=3415N 02349E
WP=3439N 02244E
WP=3511N 02233E
WP=3547N 02242E
WP=3600N 02312E
WP=3553N 02356E
Target=Maleme
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3153N 02909E
WP=3240N 02804E
WP=3320N 02630E
WP=3312N 02446E
WP=3401N 02234E
WP=3406N 02016E
WP=3323N 01937E
Target=Benghazi
ENDMISSION
[MISSION10]
NAME=Force G
PROB=30
FIRSTDATE=19400801
LASTDATE=19421231
SPEED=20
MISSION=Intercept
CASECOUNT=3
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3202N 02637E
WP=3245N 02331E
WP=3340N 02035E
WP=3444N 02004E
WP=3434N 01728E
WP=3440N 01632E
WP=3415N 01558E
TP=3358N 01520E
TP=3614N 01931E
CASE2
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3222N 02516E
WP=3305N 02355E
WP=3511N 02241E
WP=3526N 01950E
WP=3633N 01918E
WP=3457N 01752E
WP=3412N 01655E
TP=3348N 01444E
TP=3540N 02035E
CASE3
FORMATIONHEADING=50
LL=3128N 02922E
WP=3344N 02721E
WP=3435N 02444E
WP=3433N 02239E
WP=3558N 02132E
WP=3649N 02020E
WP=3652N 01915E
TP=3704N 01958E
TP=3332N 02012E
ENDMISSION
[MISSION6]
NAME=Force I
PROB=20
FIRSTDATE=19400701
LASTDATE=19411231
SPEED=22
MISSION=TacTransport
CASECOUNT=1
CASE1
FORMATIONHEADING=270
LL=3340N 02230E
WP=3443N 02003E
WP=3505N 01626E
WP=3529N 01450E
WP=3545N 01440E
WP=3555N 01440E
Target=Valetta
ENDMISSION


I can play through the end of 1942 but there is No British warships just TR in some months.
Thanks,
YUI

[Richard Mortimer]

I don't know what your success has been like in the first year of the campaign but looking at the Allied Campaign Ships file I see that the Allied forces are demobilising two BB's and 1 CV through the course of the first year. If you are inflicting damage or sinking Allied capital ships then this may explain what is happening. I suggest that you consider removing the withdrawal of these ships shown as:
BB Ramillies -
CA Kent -
CV Illustrious -
BB Royal Sovereign -
under various dates in this file.

If you have not been inflicting much damage then another possibility is that the missions are not occurring because their likelihood is too low and you should consider increasing the PROB=xx for the missions that you would like to oppose in the Allied Missions file.

Let me know how this goes

[William Miller]

I don't know what your success has been like in the first year of the campaign but looking at the Allied Campaign Ships file I see that the Allied forces are demobilising two BB's and 1 CV through the course of the first year. If you are inflicting damage or sinking Allied capital ships then this may explain what is happening. I suggest that you consider removing the withdrawal of these ships shown as:
BB Ramillies -
CA Kent -
CV Illustrious -
BB Royal Sovereign -
under various dates in this file.

If you have not been inflicting much damage then another possibility is that the missions are not occurring because their likelihood is too low and you should consider increasing the PROB=xx for the missions that you would like to oppose in the Allied Missions file.

Let me know how this goes

Some excellent suggestions from Richard (thank you for taking the time to post your thoughtful suggestions BTW).

When you extend a campaign it will often need some modifications of ship entry and exit dates as well as changes in the 'PROB=' rates for certain mission types. In general TAS was really designed for operational campaigns of no more than a few months: extending a campaign to much longer periods may require significant changes, and still may not perform quite as good the 'standard' length campaigns as you may exceed the design parameters of the TAS campaign generator.

[Richard Mortimer]

Thanks William

I am still having great fun playing TAS and FS. I have significantly modified (extended and expanded) the Clash of Empires and RRR campaigns to the point that I am using every single ship larger than a DD available in FS as well as some fictional extras of some of the classes, all coming in as a few reinforcements per turn throughout the campaign.

[watcharayui]

I've tried to keep my ships in port without changing any probability value to avoid surface battle until late 1941, it appears in 1942 that there are RN warships coming out as it should be,Yeah. So,it's obvious that I may have inflicted too much damage to RN capital ship and with low prob.,they will not come out in 1942.
1.How exactly prob. value connects with the capital ship? Is 99 Maximum and 0 Minimum?
2.If I want to add more (existing) ships to RN in Odyssey campaign, I have to add them in MedShip file and AlliedCampaign file right? There are so much parameters in the MedShip file. How can I fill those parameters for each ship,especially 'Zposition',what is it?
3.Can you guys explain the necessery things to edit the campaign please.

Thanks You guys,
Yui

[Richard Mortimer]

Hi

My comments for you are after each of your questions:

1.How exactly prob. value connects with the capital ship? Is 99 Maximum and 0 Minimum? - The probability is for each mission and the AI will select the appropriate ships out of those available at that point in time. 0 is 0% probability of that mission occurring at that point in time and 99 is 99% probability. In order to confront more capital ships you could increase the probability of the intercept and cover missions.
2.If I want to add more (existing) ships to RN in Odyssey campaign, I have to add them in MedShip file and AlliedCampaign file right? There are so much parameters in the MedShip file. How can I fill those parameters for each ship,especially 'Zposition',what is it? - Yes, you need to add the ships to both the MedShips.scn file (this is where you capture the FS data for each ship) and the AlliedCampaignShips.cfg file which is where you let TAS know what ships are available (apart from them being seriously damaged in a previous round) at what point in time. So in the AlliedCampaignShips file you add in the extra ships that you want to add to the campaign either at the beginning or as reinforcements at any particular date and then you add their FS data to the MedShips.scn file. I find that the easiest way to add the FS data is either to look for these ships in the .scn files of other campaigns and copy their entire data set across or I create a fictional FS scenario using FS Scenario Editor by modifying an existing FS scenario and saving it under a new name (which I call A Data Gatherer so I know where to go copy the information from). I then add the new ships in FS Scenario Editor, save the scenario once I have all the ships I need and then exit FS Scenario Editor, open the A Data Gatherer file and again copy all the data for the ships that I want into the MedShips.scn file. The position is not important in that TAS will load in the actual positions when it creates the A Tas scenario file for the battle, but you do need to have a position entered. otherwise this will cause errors. This can be copied from any of the other ships in the MedShips.scn file, it does not matter if it is duplicated at this point as TAS will replace it with the battle position as described before.
3.Can you guys explain the necessery things to edit the campaign please. - I think I have done this by answering your first two questions above, if you need any more help just post a reply and I will see how I can help you further.

Good luck!

[Richard Mortimer]

Hi

Something else I have only just thought of that may explain what you have been seeing is that the Allied Forces may not have enough operational points, but before we change that, please try out the changes in my last post prior to this one.

[richmi]

Thanks William

I am still having great fun playing TAS and FS. I have significantly modified (extended and expanded) the Clash of Empires and RRR campaigns to the point that I am using every single ship larger than a DD available in FS as well as some fictional extras of some of the classes, all coming in as a few reinforcements per turn throughout the campaign.
Hi Richard, all,
I know that it is more than a year old topic, but I'd like to ask you if it it possible to try your "extended and expanded" Clash of Empires and RRR campaigns, especially RRR as a KM. That is in a way what i was always trying to find since Michel Emmerichs FSNA.

thank you,
richmi

[Richard Mortimer]

Hi richmi

I don't mind at all but I would suggest that you get in touch with me so that we can have a telephonic discussion about this.

Firstly you must be made aware that the campaign I have put together is not a NWS vetted campaign.

Secondly it is an evolving campaign, basically I am trying to simulate various parts of World War 2 with appropriate mission types for certain date ranges in certain world spheres. I am still working through and modifying the campaign as I play it through these date ranges.

Thirdly the TAS AI was not designed to be able to handle this level of a campaign entirely automatically, and it therefore requires considerable manual intervention at the end of each period (i.e. fortnight). Basically I save the campaign as it stands at the end of the period and then go in first as the side I am playing and assign the ships available to the various task forces/missions as required and then also have to do this for the other side, and only once I have done this for both sides can you then run TAS for that period.

Fourthly (and by no means finally, I am just pointing out the major points here), there is also quite a bit of manual intervention required to get the A TAS scenario file to run without crashing in FSP and then to correct the end of engagement file before loading the battle resolution information back into TAS (this still happens automatically, but you have to manually edit the end of engagement file to match the uncorrected A TAS scenario file so that the correct ships are impacted in TAS).

Whereabouts in the world are you located?

I am not sure what the forum rules on this are but my home e-mail address is richard.mortimer@att.net and I am in Houston, Texas at the moment.

Send me an e-mail and let's see how we can get in touch.

Another option would be for me to discuss this all with someone like William Miller, see if they would be prepared to vet this, put some supporting docs together, let them vet this and then after modification if required, make it available with the supporting information for a wider audience.

Regards
Richard Mortimer

[mcaryf1]

Hi Richard

Did you decide whether or not to progress your adaptation of RRR? I would be happy to try to help you with it although I have not done much with TAS campaigns since I developed Clash of Empires.

Regards

Mike

[watcharayui]

Hi Everyone
Yeah I'm glad to see that everyone's still enjoying this game. I abandoned this game for about a year, but hey i'm going to play it again and finish editing "Odyssey" campaign. I've extended it to the end of 1942 and the real problem that RN warships didn't come out in 1942 is, exactly like Richard said, they don't have enough operational points.Yeah, i've added more points and they come out just fine in 1942. I also checked RN ships operating in Mediteranean and find out that there're actually so many more RN warships in Med sea than in our game.Of course more RN CVs for Italians to be frightened. So, I decided to add them all.
I'll tell you the result.
Thanks
Yui