Thankyou

[Mart]

I just wanted to let people know how much I appreciate this forum. I have spent some time on another forum today which revealed a side to wargaming and some wargamers which I hate, and which, to be honest, brought out the very worst in me. On such occasions, my instincts, which are frequently ill-considered, are to just say "I've had it with wargamimg. I'm a peaceful person, and the pastime therefore seems such an anomaly".

Then I remember the NWS forum, and it's members. Also it's well considered discussions, it's lack of politics or hatred, and the fact that I also don't let myself down by reacting with views I wished I had not expressed

This is the forum that reminds me that wargaming is a hobby with a well established and honourable history, and that we can all rub along nicely, with a shared interest in parts of history and a desire for a challenge.

I really do appreciate that, so I just thought I'd say it.

Also, should I deviate myself, by getting a bit heated on occasion, I hope people will remind me of this post, and pull me up short.

I'm really looking forward to Navies at War, and am happy in the meantime that WCDB is a fine game. That's another thing to be grateful for.

So, thanks fellas. This is a nice place to hang out. Do me one favour though. Stop being so knowledgeable! it's frightening me.

Martin :)

[Warship NWS]

Thank you Mart for the kind remarks. Professionalism has always been a top priority for us here at NWS and I much prefer quality over quantity in terms of members and their contributions to our forums.

Your support is greatly appreciated and if you, or anyone else on our forums, has any concerns, questions, constructive feedback, etc.. never hesitate to contact me anytime.

Take care friend.

[Ed Rotondaro]

I just wanted to let people know how much I appreciate this forum. I have spent some time on another forum today which revealed a side to wargaming and some wargamers which I hate, and which, to be honest, brought out the very worst in me. On such occasions, my instincts, which are frequently ill-considered, are to just say "I've had it with wargamimg. I'm a peaceful person, and the pastime therefore seems such an anomaly".

Then I remember the NWS forum, and it's members. Also it's well considered discussions, it's lack of politics or hatred, and the fact that I also don't let myself down by reacting with views I wished I had not expressed

This is the forum that reminds me that wargaming is a hobby with a well established and honourable history, and that we can all rub along nicely, with a shared interest in parts of history and a desire for a challenge.

I really do appreciate that, so I just thought I'd say it.

Also, should I deviate myself, by getting a bit heated on occasion, I hope people will remind me of this post, and pull me up short.

I'm really looking forward to Navies at War, and am happy in the meantime that WCDB is a fine game. That's another thing to be grateful for.

So, thanks fellas. This is a nice place to hang out. Do me one favour though. Stop being so knowledgeable! it's frightening me.

Martin :)

Martin:

I fully understand what you are saying and agree. I've seen too many forums that lack manners and respect. It took me awhile to get my act together, but fortunately Chris and William and others have been patient. When you consider that those of us interested in history, wargaming etc, are a much smaller group than say the supporters of Manchester United (great win by them even if I was rooting for Chelsea LOL), it is foolish to not exchange respectfully. I've always held that much of what gets angrily posted in cyberspace would not be uttered face to face. Even a phone call would have better civility.

Don't worry about the knowlege level, we're all still learning. Dennis cheats 'cause he's retired and can spend all day long looking stuff up on-line:D We're glad you and all our other British friends are aboard and giving us some insights to our favorite topics. Have a great week.

[old_pop2000]

Martin:

I fully understand what you are saying and agree. I've seen too many forums that lack manners and respect. It took me awhile to get my act together, but fortunately Chris and William and others have been patient. When you consider that those of us interested in history, wargaming etc, are a much smaller group than say the supporters of Manchester United (great win by them even if I was rooting for Chelsea LOL), it is foolish to not exchange respectfully. I've always held that much of what gets angrily posted in cyberspace would not be uttered face to face. Even a phone call would have better civility.

Don't worry about the knowlege level, we're all still learning. Dennis cheats 'cause he's retired and can spend all day long looking stuff up on-line:D We're glad you and all our other British friends are aboard and giving us some insights to our favorite topics. Have a great week.
I'd like to hope that there is some analytical skills that go along with that researching. But you are dead right, I do have all day to research. However, I don't have a 1000 books like the rest of you. ;)

[Scott Chisholm]

I'd like to hope that there is some analytical skills that go along with that researching. But you are dead right, I do have all day to research. However, I don't have a 1000 books like the rest of you. ;)

Dennis,

Don't worry about not having a thousand books. Most of Ed's only have (cartoon) pictures....:p

[Warship NWS]

I'd like to hope that there is some analytical skills that go along with that researching. But you are dead right, I do have all day to research. However, I don't have a 1000 books like the rest of you. ;)

Books are only as good as the information you extrapolate from them anyways - in other words - read between the lines. There are a lot of books out there that can give readers incorrect conclusions or close their minds up to alternative thinking or theories, one of the reasons why I am damned selective about which books I read or purchase. Many conclusions from the past 50-80 years of historical writings have been recently debunked by deductive logic and proper research instead of an author just basically repeating the same story again without anything to add to the collective knowledge of an event. No historian, the story tellers, will ever have all the answers and even professional researchers will admit to this fact. Professional analysts also never work in the realm of absolutism as that breeds arrogance which leads directly to ignorance.

Me, I prefer quality of quantity and research and analysis over story telling. I want to be challenged, not spoon fed.

Thanks.

[john964]

Books are only as good as the information you extrapolate from them anyways - in other words - read between the lines. There are a lot of books out there that can give readers incorrect conclusions or close their minds up to alternative thinking or theories, one of the reasons why I am damned selective about which books I read or purchase. Many conclusions from the past 50-80 years of historical writings have been recently debunked by deductive logic and proper research instead of an author just basically repeating the same story again without anything to add to the collective knowledge of an event. No historian, the story tellers, will ever have all the answers and even professional researchers will admit to this fact. Professional analysts also never work in the realm of absolutism as that breeds arrogance which leads directly to ignorance.

Me, I prefer quality of quantity and research and analysis over story telling. I want to be challenged, not spoon fed.

Thanks.Also the fact that new information is becoming avalable as data is declassified from WWII and the early Cold War.

[Ed Rotondaro]

Dennis,

Don't worry about not having a thousand books. Most of Ed's only have (cartoon) pictures....:p

Scott:

Hey don't make fun of my Osprey books. Just 'cuz they got nice color pictures doesn't mean they're simple. I mean even an ossifer like you could read them and maybe even understand them. Great references for painting minis by the way;).

[Ed Rotondaro]

Also the fact that new information is becoming avalable as data is declassified from WWII and the early Cold War.

John:

Which is why I'm always on the look out for new books on topics that I've already done some reading on. When I look at the bibliographies of some of the better histories, it's staggering how much info an author has to process.

[keschofield]

Dennis,

Don't worry about not having a thousand books. Most of Ed's only have (cartoon) pictures....:p


Ya meen dat squiggly stuff tween the pictures meens sumpthing?:eek:

[Warship NWS]

Ya meen dat squiggly stuff tween the pictures meens sumpthing?:eek:

Sometimes it does.. sometimes it don't.. all depends on who wrote it and based on what sources or the quality of the research. ;)

Heck, I have come across books where the pictures (which can speak a thousand words - intel photographic interpretation is another underrated topic as an example) were worth a lot more then what the author wrote. Well designed and informative battle maps are another example.

Thanks.

[old_pop2000]

Sometimes it does.. sometimes it don't.. all depends on who wrote it and based on what sources or the quality of the research. ;)

Heck, I have come across books where the pictures (which can speak a thousand words - intel photographic interpretation is another underrated topic as an example) were worth a lot more then what the author wrote. Well designed and informative battle maps are another example.

Thanks.

Maps are very important. In fact, I have stressed to everyone that before studying an operation or battle, go get a good map and look at topography, force positions. Get to know the battle environment as much as you can. Use Google earth and maps, they are excellent for understanding the area. I've provided the link the online versions of the USMA maps, they are excellent.

[Warship NWS]

Maps are very important. In fact, I have stressed to everyone that before studying an operation or battle, go get a good map and look at topography, force positions. Get to know the battle environment as much as you can. Use Google earth and maps, they are excellent for understanding the area. I've provided the link the online versions of the USMA maps, they are excellent.

Agreed.. and never forget the 4th dimension of warfare.. comms/intel/recon. Topography, and climate, played a critical role in how the FOW factor was effected by the 4th dimension of warfare.

[Ed Rotondaro]

Ya meen dat squiggly stuff tween the pictures meens sumpthing?:eek:

Kurt:

I'll send you some of the spare Ironman comics we got for the kids last week.:D

[Scott Chisholm]

Scott:

Hey don't make fun of my Osprey books. Just 'cuz they got nice color pictures doesn't mean they're simple. I mean even an ossifer like you could read them and maybe even understand them. Great references for painting minis by the way;).

Ed,

I love you like a brother, man!;)

[Mart]

Kurt:

I'll send you some of the spare Ironman comics we got for the kids last week.:D

Hey Ed! Don't waste them. I haven't seen an Ironman comic since I lived in Australia as a kid. As I'm talking 1965 to 1970, I am seriously in need! Besides which; how better to foster good relations bewteen our two rather bizarre nations :D

I look forward to your offer and will supply my address when you're ready.

Hang on - you were kidding weren't you? NOBODY gives away vintage ironman comics. Darn.

Oh well, I tried.

OK fellas, get back to FOW, Intell, maps and squiggly lines. I'll just go outside and hang myself. :rolleyes:

[keschofield]

Kurt:

I'll send you some of the spare Ironman comics we got for the kids last week.:D


I AM IRON MAN!

Iron Man -

"Has he lost his mind
Can he see or is he blind
Can he walk at all
Or if he moves will he fall ..."

Black Sabbath (and 8 track tapes) rule man!!!!! The Oz man cometh! :cool:

Hey man, what time is it? This is 1975 right? :confused:

[Ed Rotondaro]

Ed,

I love you like a brother, man!;)


Scott:

Besides your wife and kid, I'm the only one who'll put up with your clever remarks. (Well maybe Kurt, but everybody loves him.)

[Ed Rotondaro]

Hey Ed! Don't waste them. I haven't seen an Ironman comic since I lived in Australia as a kid. As I'm talking 1965 to 1970, I am seriously in need! Besides which; how better to foster good relations bewteen our two rather bizarre nations :D

I look forward to your offer and will supply my address when you're ready.

Hang on - you were kidding weren't you? NOBODY gives away vintage ironman comics. Darn.

Oh well, I tried.

OK fellas, get back to FOW, Intell, maps and squiggly lines. I'll just go outside and hang myself. :rolleyes:


Martin:

Actually these are not vintage, they are the newest Ironman comics and they are part of the Marvel Adventure line which is geared towards younger audiences and are kid friendly. Short story, my youngest son turned 9 the weekend Ironman opened up and we had pizza party and then took him and his friends to see the movie. We have a charming little custom here in the US, if you invite a kid to a birthday party for one of your kids, you have to supply party favors/goody bags that usually consist of assorted candies, collectable cards, Matchbox cars, etc. Well my wife thought Ironman comics would be a good idea and they seemed to be very popular. I've read all of them and enjoyed them, but they are one shot stories with no continuing arc. The vintage stuff is as valuable as a bottle of Lafite Roschild bordeaux and as hard to find. If you have not seen the movie, it is superb! Indiana Jones wishes.

[Ed Rotondaro]

I AM IRON MAN!

Iron Man -

"Has he lost his mind
Can he see or is he blind
Can he walk at all
Or if he moves will he fall ..."

Black Sabbath (and 8 track tapes) rule man!!!!! The Oz man cometh! :cool:

Hey man, what time is it? This is 1975 right? :confused:

Kurt:

And Scott says I'm crazy? Tommy Iommi rules! My kid wants the CD.

[keschofield]

Kurt:

And Scott says I'm crazy? Tommy Iommi rules! My kid wants the CD.


Sorry dude, had a flashback there for a moment. :D