Unit Request

[Citadelvette]

Since we lost the previous thread aftert the server switch and all the posts I thought I'd restart the thread. I went through using some of my old list and the newest spreadsheet I have from Alan Caso, which is v.19.23 Beta. If I post some that are already on the game that I missed I apologize, I also listed some that I know have been in NWP but can't find reference to. I'll start with naval units.

Australia
Tobruk LST
Armidale PC

Bahrain
Al Manama FSG

Bangladesh
Osman FFG
Durdharsha PCFG
Shapla MHC

Brazil
Niteroi FFG
Ceara LSD

Bulgaria
Wielingen FFG
Burya PCFG

Canada
Bonaventure CV
St Laurent DD
Restigouche DD
Mackenzie DD

Chile
Duke FFG
Almirante LAttore FFG (Jac. Van Hem.)
Blanco Encalada FFG (Karel Doorman)
Valdiva LST
Scorpene SSK

China
Luzhou (Type 51C) DDG
Luda II DDG
Lin San Liu SSK
Romeo SS
Golf SSB China
Yuan SSK

Denmark
Absalon AGF

Egypt
El Suez FFG

Finland
Hamina PCFG

France
CVF
Colbert CG
Forbin DDG
Le Redoutable SSBN
Barracuda SSN

Germany
Hamburg DD

Greece
Arliotis PCFG
Lascos PCFG
Deyicinis PCFG
Type 214 SSK

India
Vikrant 1 CV
Vikrant 2 CV
Shivalik FFG
Samar OPV
Sukanya OPV
Super Dvora PCF
Kursura SS Send fto from Misc. Subs
Scorpene SSK

Iran
Bayandor FS

Ireland
Eithne FS
Roisin FS
Peacock FS

Israel
Super Dvora PCF

Italy
Cavour CVS
Andrea Doria CGH
Andrea Doria DDG
Impaviado DDG
Bergamini FF
Alpino FF
Cassiopea OPV
Enrico Toti SSK
Salvatore Todaro (Type-212A)SSK

Japan
Hyuga CVH/DDH
Atago DDG
Yamegumo DD
Minegumo DD
Shikishima PLH
Izu PL
Shiretoko PL
Hida PL
Aso PL
Osumi LPD
Uzushio SSK
Soryu SSK

Malaysia
Kedah FSG
Laksamana FSG
Scorpene SSK

Mexico
Durango OPV
Sierra OPV

Morocco
Floreal FFG

Netherlands
Tromp DDG
Rotterdam LPD
Dolfijn SS

Norway
Skjold PCFG

North Korea
Najin FFG
Sarion FS

Oman
Quahir FSG

Pakistan
Haibat PCFG

Peru
Almirante Grau CL
Velarde PCFG

Phillipines
Cannon FF
Jacinto FS
Cyclone PC

Poland
Meko A-100 FFG
Kobben SSK

Portugal
OH Perry FFG
Albacora SSK

Romania
Marasesti FFG
Tetal I FF
Tetal II FF

Russia
Krupny DDG
Stereguschyy FFG
Borei SSBN
Yankee SSBN
Hotel SSBN
Golf SSB
Papa SSGN
Graney SSN
Victor II SSN
Victor I SSN
Amur SSK
Zulu SS
Whiskey SS
Delta I SSBN
Delta II SSBN
Sierra I SSBN
Romeo SS

Singapore
Endurance LPD

Serbia
Beograd FFG
Mitar Acev PCFG

South Africa
Valour FFG

South Korea
Ahn Yong-Bok DDG
Chungmugon Yi Sun-Shi DDG
Dokdo LPH
Type 214 SSK

Spain
Dedalo CVL
Juan Carlos I LHD
Serviola OPV
Galacia LPD

Sweden
Draken SSK
Hajen SSK

Thailand
Tapi FF
Hua Hin FS
Khamronsin FS

Turkey
Bozcaada FFG
Milgem FSG

UAE
Murray Jib FSG
Baynunah FSG

UK
Victorious CV
Eagle CV
Bay LPD
River OPV
Castle OPV
Resolution SSBN
Dreadnought SSN
Porpoise SSK
T Class Conversion SS
A Class Conversion SS
Oberon SSK

Ukraine
Ukraina CG
Sevastopol FFG
Lotsk FFL
Chernigiv FFL
Kremenchuk FSG
Uzgorod FSG
Kherson SS

USA
Gerald Ford CVN
Essex CV
Des Moines CA
Boston CG
Providence CG
Farragut DDG
Glover FF USA
Freedom LCS
Independence LCS
Bertholf (Legend) WMSL
Bear (Famous) WMEC
Reliance WMEC
Ashville PG
Cyclone PC
Island WPB
LHA-6 LHA
Raleigh LPD
Thomaston LSD
Garcia FF Send To from Misc Ships
G. Washington SSBN
Ethan Allen SSBN
Lafayette SSBN
Ben Franklin SSBN
Halibut SSGN
Grayback SSG
Triton SSRN
Nautilus SSN
Sea Wolf (1955) SSN
Skate SSN
Skipjack SSN
Thresher/Permit SSN
Tullibee SSN
Narwhal SSN
Barracuda SSK
Tang SS
Darter SS
Guppy I SS
Guppy II SS
Guppy III SS

Venezuela
Almirante Clement WFS

Vietnam
BPS 500 FSG Send To From Misc. Ships

Yemen
Natya MSO

[Citadelvette]

Here's some more.

Chile
Type 22 FFG

China
Kuznetsov CV
Type 071 LHD
Houbei PCFG

Denmark
F361 Class FFG

Germany
Type 125 FFG

India
Kolkat DDG
Kara FSG

Japan
19DD DD
Towada AOR
Mizuho PLH
Ojika PL

Netherlands
Poolster AOR
Amsterdam AOR

New Zealand
Otago OPV
Canterbury AKR

Pakistan
Jiangwei II FFG

Peru
Lupo FFG
Modified Lupo FFG

Portugal
Rotterdam/Galacia LPD
Karel Doorman FFG
Type 206A SSK

Russia
Kanin DDG
Admiral Gorshkov FFG (pr. 22350)
Gepard FFG
Berezin AOR
Urga AS
Don AS
Landa SSK (pr. 677)
Grom FFG (pr. 1244.1)
Dergach FSG

South Korea
Sambangho OPV

Spain and Venezula
Next Gen OPV (Janes Fghting ships 07-08)

Taiwan
Guppy II SS

United Kingdom
Argus Aviation Support Ship
Ft Grange AOR
Wave AOR
Modified River OPV

United States
Kaiser AO
Barracuda WPB
DDX (pending real info)

Vietnam
Gepard FFG

[Pheonix]

Canberra class Landing Helicopter Dock

[LUCASWILLEN05]

I second the wish for a future Chinese airxraft carrier. It might be interesting to have a hypothetical weapons option, for example supercavitating torpedoes and similar devices that may become available in the next few years. It would be fascinating to consider what effects weapons such as this might have on a future conflict assuming they can be made to work.

For obvious reasons these will have to be placed in the Hypotheticals section rather than the main database and any official scenarios should make it clear that these weapons are being used.

This of course assumes that the program can support the use of such conventional weapons.

Luke

[Citadelvette]

SM-3 Surface to Air Missle

[Pheonix]

America class LHA (LHA-6)

[Mike D]

I second the wish for a future Chinese airxraft carrier. It might be interesting to have a hypothetical weapons option, for example supercavitating torpedoes and similar devices that may become available in the next few years. It would be fascinating to consider what effects weapons such as this might have on a future conflict assuming they can be made to work.

For obvious reasons these will have to be placed in the Hypotheticals section rather than the main database and any official scenarios should make it clear that these weapons are being used.

This of course assumes that the program can support the use of such conventional weapons.

Luke

Nope, sorry. Actual units only.

[LUCASWILLEN05]

The Queen Elizabeth Class Carrier is not yet an actual unit but will be in circa 2014 - 2017. It is being developed and built. It does seem likely that the Chinese will develop their own Carrier within this kind of timeframe so this at least might be warranted.

Luke


Nope, sorry. Actual units only.

[DHX]

It's not just building a carrier. You have to build an aviation contingent that can perform carrier operations. It takes a long, long time to build that up that capability from scratch. The Russians have been trying for years and they're still not proficient in carrier ops.

Oh and can we get the EB-52 included? It seems like the USAF has decided they want it again.
http://www.aviationnow.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/B52063008.xml&headline=Development%20For%20B-52%20Jammer%20Continues

[LUCASWILLEN05]

And it might be possible for China to achieve something within the 2015 - 2020 time slot. See for example http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/199284.html

A Chinese Carrier battlegroup on its own might not have a particularl large or proficient airwing but it would still allow China to project force around Taiwan, the South China Sea and perhaps into the Indian Ocean. That would support the likely Chinese foreign policy objectives we would have to assume for wargaming purposes. Obviously, a peaceful China means no realistic wargaming scenario can be assumed. After all, how many nations have the military strength to attack China first?

Since this is a wargame the inclusion of Chinese aircraft carriers would allow us to test the strategic implications of their introduction. As far as the proficiency argument goes their are navies such as Tailand and India who also possess carriers and it might be argued that they are not exactly proficient in the use of aircraft carriers yet either.


It's not just building a carrier. You have to build an aviation contingent that can perform carrier operations. It takes a long, long time to build that up that capability from scratch. The Russians have been trying for years and they're still not proficient in carrier ops.

Oh and can we get the EB-52 included? It seems like the USAF has decided they want it again.
http://www.aviationnow.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/B52063008.xml&headline=Development%20For%20B-52%20Jammer%20Continues

[Mike D]

Oh and can we get the EB-52 included? It seems like the USAF has decided they want it again.
http://www.aviationnow.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/B52063008.xml&headline=Development%20For%20B-52%20Jammer%20Continues

Count on this getting canceled again too. D.S. Gates isn't too happy with the AF and their new "toys" (a Gates quote) and with the current lack of funding and contracting debacles at the Pentagon, and that Gates is seriously working to add hundreds of UAV's to the inventory and with congress not real happy with the Pentagon right now. It's going to be a real hard sell. The Pentagon and especially the Airforce is trying to pile on a bunch of projects they can't fund and get them in the pipe line before Bush leaves office. That $15 Million is more needed by the Army and Marines right now then the Airforce.

[DHX]

Count on this getting canceled again too. D.S. Gates isn't too happy with the AF and their new "toys" (a Gates quote) and with the current lack of funding and contracting debacles at the Pentagon, and that Gates is seriously working to add hundreds of UAV's to the inventory and with congress not real happy with the Pentagon right now. It's going to be a real hard sell. The Pentagon and especially the Airforce is trying to pile on a bunch of projects they can't fund and get them in the pipe line before Bush leaves office. That $15 Million is more needed by the Army and Marines right now then the Airforce.


Hard telling. That project seems to have more lives than a cat. It seems like every time you turn around it's on and then it off.

Speaking of jamming, how about modeling the jamming capabilities of the F-22 and F-35 (and other aircraft) equipped with AESA radars?

[LUCASWILLEN05]

Iranian Shahab 3B missile

[Lancer]

This would be a quick idea to develop. In some cases, I have used non-armed enemy objects placed near friendly high value targets (with at least a 'sight' ability) to imitate predetermined targets for enemy SSMs. These missiles cannot "find" these targets on their own unless "seen" by enemy ground forces or over flown by aircraft. Airbases are usually known on a map, and this will give the AI the ability for a pre-emptive SSM strike. How about coming up with a static "X" graphic with sight ability to pull off the above idea?

[LUCASWILLEN05]

As a brief aside from the main thrust of this discussion it would be interesting to look at scenarios involving an Isreali strike on Iran or. more likely a combined US/Isreali attack.The possible consequiences of such an atack. eg Iranian mining of the Straits of Hormuz and attacks on Gulf shipping (convoy operations) would also be interesting gaming subjects. Even the Saudis and smaller Gulf states could find themselves being drawn into the conflict creating more scenarios. Indeed, you could do a large and complex game involving much or the Persian Gulf, parts of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran. If the Shahab missile were included in the unit mix it could well be used to attack targets in Saudi Arabia, Iraq or the smaller Gulf States.

Also I have been wandering whether it would be feasible to have mobile land units.

Luke


This would be a quick idea to develop. In some cases, I have used non-armed enemy objects placed near friendly high value targets (with at least a 'sight' ability) to imitate predetermined targets for enemy SSMs. These missiles cannot "find" these targets on their own unless "seen" by enemy ground forces or over flown by aircraft. Airbases are usually known on a map, and this will give the AI the ability for a pre-emptive SSM strike. How about coming up with a static "X" graphic with sight ability to pull off the above idea?

[Citadelvette]

Add A-1H from Aircraft Section to United States

[Citadelvette]

This is my old list so some of these are already in the DB for 18.3 or 19.0 so please disregard those, kinda in a hurry.

Albania
Mig-17

Algeria
Mi-6
Mig-17

ArgentinaC-27
CH-19
CH-34
F-86A/E/D
F-9 (F9F)
P-2C

Australia
A330 MRTT
C-17
F-86A/E/D
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
P-2C
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)

Austria
CH-19
J/F 35A/B/D/F
O-1
Saab 105

Bangladesh
F-86A/E/D
Mig-17

Belgium
CF-100
CH-19
CH-34
F-84F
Hunter F.4/5/6
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)

Brazil
CH-34
EMB-414M (A-29)
F-5EM II
P-2C
R-99A/B

Bulgaria
Mi-6
Mig-17

Canada
C-17
CC-137
CC-144
CF-100
CF-101
CH-19
CH-34
ECC-144
EF-101
F-2 (F2H) Banshee
F-86A/E/D
H-21 (YH-21, CH-21A/B/C)
H-92
King Air 200C
O-1
P-2C

Chile
CH-19
CH-34
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
Hunter F.4/5/6
O-1
P-2C

China
FC-1/JF-17
J/F-10
Mi-6
Mig-17

Colombia
CH-19
F-86A/E/D
H-43 (HH-43A/B)

Cuba
Mig-17

Czech Republic
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
Mig-17

Denmark
F-100A/C/D/F
F-104
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
Hunter F.4/5/6
J/F 35A/B/D/F

Egypt
Mi-6
Mig-17

Finland
J/F 35A/B/D/F
Gnat F.1

France
Caravan II Vigilant Surmar
CH-19
CH-34
F-100A/C/D/F
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
Falcon 20G
Falcon 50 Surmar
H-21 (YH-21, CH-21A/B/C)
Mirage IV-A/P
O-1
P-2C
SA 321
Vautour IIA/B/1N

Germany
A310 MRTT
Alpha Jet
CH-19
CH-34
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
G.91R/Y
H-21 (YH-21, CH-21A/B/C)
Mig-17
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)

Greece
Caravan II Vigilant Surpolmar
CH-19
F-102A
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
Mi-26
T-2C/E

Hungary
Mig-17

India
Ajeet
Druhv-Naval
Druhv-Utility
Gnat F.1
HF-24 Marut
Hunter F.4/5/6
Mi-26

Indonesia
CH-34
F-86A/E/D
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
Mi-6
Mig-17
O-1

Iran
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
H-43 (HH-43A/B)

Israel
CH-19
CH-34
IAI 1123N Sea Scan
Vautour IIA/B/1N

Italy
C-27
CH-19
CH-34
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
G.91R/Y
KC-767
M-346
O-1
P.180 Avanti

Japan
C-1A
CH-19
CH-34
E-767 AWACS
F-86A/E/D
Falcon 900 JMSA
Gulfstream SRA-4 UC-4
KC-767
O-1
OH-1
P-2C
T-2 (Japan)
T-4

Jordan
Hunter F.4/5/6

Kuwait
CH-19
Hunter F.4/5/6

Libya
C-27
F-5A/E/F
Mig-17

Malaysia
F-86A/E/D

Mexico
Mi-26

Morocco
H-43 (HH-43A/B)
Mig-17

Netherlands
CH-19
CH-34
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
Hunter F.4/5/6
KDC-10
P-2C

New Zealand
Strikemaster

North Korea
Mig-17

Norway
F-104
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
O-1

Oman
Hunter F.4/5/6

Pakistan
CH-19
F-5A/E/F
F-86A/E/D
FC-1/JF-17
H-43 (HH-43A/B)
Mig-17
O-1

Peru
F-86A/E/D
Hunter F.4/5/6
Mi-26
Mi-6

Philippines
CH-19
CH-34
F-86A/E/D
F-8P
S.211

Poland
M-93
Mig-17
PZL-130TC-1
W-3

Portugal
CH-19
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
G.91R/Y
P-2C

Qatar
Hunter F.4/5/6

Romania
IAR-99
Mig-17

Russia
Il-114
Il-87 Maxdome
Ka-50
Ka-52
M-4
Mi-1
Mi-26
Mi-4
Mi-6
Mig-17
Mig-AT
Su-15
Tu-28
Yak-130
Yak-24
Yak-28B/I/L/P/r/PP

Saudi Arabia
F-86A/E/D
Hunter F.4/5/6
Strikemaster

Serbia-Montenegro
F-84F
F-86A/E/D

Singapore
Hunter F.4/5/6
S.211
Strikemaster

South Africa
Buccaneer
F-86A/E/D

South Korea
CH-19
F-86A/E/D
Mi-26
O-1
T-50 (A-50)

Spain
CH-19
CH-34
F-4C II
F-86A/E/D

Sweden
A 32A
AJ37
Gulfstream SRA-4 S 103
H-21 (YH-21, CH-21A/B/C)
Hunter F.4/5/6
J 32B
J/F 35A/B/D/F
JA37
S 32C

Switzerland
Hunter F.4/5/6
PC-12 Spectre

Syria
Mi-6

Taiwan
CH-19
CH-34
F-100A/C/D/F
F-101A/B
F-84F
F-86A/E/D

Thailand
C-27
CH-19
CH-34
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
H-43 (HH-43A/B)
O-1
S-76N

Turkey
F-100A/C/D/F
F-102A
F-84F
F-86A/E/D

UAE
Hunter F.4/5/6

Ukraine
Mi-6

United Kingdom
A330 MRTT
Alpha Jet
Belvedere (HC.1)
Buccaneer
C-17
F-86A/E/D
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3
Hunter F.4/5/6
Javelin FAW.1/9
P-2C
Scimitar F.1
Sea Vixen FAW.2/2
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)
VC-10 K.2/3/4
Victor B.1A/B.2/K.1A/K.2
Whirlwind

United States
560 Citation V OT-47B
A-3A
A-5A/B
AC-47
AT-38B
AV-8A
C-135
C-141
C-17
C-22B
C-27
C-40B
C-5
C-9B
CH-19
CH-34
CH-37
E-1
E-10
E-2D
E-6
EA-3B
EC-121
F/A-18F
F/EF-10B (F3D)
F-1 (FJ)
F-100A/C/D/F
F-101A/B
F-102A
F-106A
F-11A (F11F)
F-2 (F2H) Banshee
F-3B (F3H)
F-5A/E/F
F-6A (F4D)
F-84F
F-86A/E/D
F-9 (F9F)
Falcon 20 UA-25A
Falcon 20 UA-25B
Falcon 20 UA-25C
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20F
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20G
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20H
H-21 (YH-21, CH-21A/B/C)
H-43 (HH-43A/B)
HH-52A
KA-3B
King Air 35 RC-350
MH-90
O-1
O-2A/B
P-2C
P-8
QH-50 DASH
RA-3B
RF-101A/C
RF-84F
RF-86
RF-9
RQ-8
T-2C
T-6B II
KC-330 MRTT
KC-767

Uruguay
CH-19

Venezuela
C-28
CH-19
F-86A/E/D
Mi-26
T-2D

Vietnam
Mi-6
Mig-17

Yemen
Mig-17
Strikemaster

[Mike D]

This is my old list so some of these are already in the DB for 18.3 or 19.0 so please disregard those, kinda in a hurry.

Albania
Mig-17


The Mig-17 isn't currently on my to-do list, so no for now.




Algeria
Mi-6

Already in 19.0.


Argentina
C-27
CH-19
CH-34
F-86A/E/D
F-9 (F9F)
P-2C

See comments on Mig-17.


Australia
A330 MRTT
C-17

A330 is in 19.0, the C-17 isn't but I'll add it and use the C-5 graphic.



Austria
Saab 105

done


Belgium
CF-100

Added CF-100.


Brazil
F-5EM II

Added



Bulgaria
Mi-6

Already in 19.0



Canada
C-17
CF-100
CF-101

Already done.


Chile

Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3

You have sources on this? Never heard of any going to Chile.


China
FC-1/JF-17

Not yet, only 10 production models were ever built.


J/F-10
Mi-6

Already there.


Czech Republic
Fairey Gannet AS.4/AEW.3

Really?




Denmark
F-100D
F-104
J/F 35A/B/D/F

Already done.


Egypt
Mi-6

Already done.



France

F-100D

Done


Mirage IV-A/P

The "A" could but never was fitted with 6x bombs, the "P" only carried the ASMP nuke missle. So no on both.


SA 321

Done


Ok, at this point I got worn out. Make your lists smaller, I can't work with these huge lists and do a response.

[LUCASWILLEN05]

All looks great to me especially if we want to bover the whole of the modern period from post WW2 to near future (say 2020 or thereabouts/ O know we have discussed this before but it would still be good to have some weapons systems that are now only on the drawing board included as hypothericals. Needs andd budgets do change so some of these could make their way into service within the above time frame. I suspect many of us would enjoy testing the potential implications and consequences of such new weapons.

Luke

[LUCASWILLEN05]

I also second citadelvette's requests, particularly for the Vikrant. The 1971 India Pakistan War has some interesting scenario possibilies including potential for US, British and Soviet involvement.

By the way, I like the idea of including the service dates. It makes life so much easier. Please do continue to add that information,

Luke

[Mike D]

Add A-1H from Aircraft Section to United States

Opps! How did we miss that. Added to US, France, Vietnam, Thailand

[Mike D]

Hard telling. That project seems to have more lives than a cat. It seems like every time you turn around it's on and then it off.

Speaking of jamming, how about modeling the jamming capabilities of the F-22 and F-35 (and other aircraft) equipped with AESA radars?


Already in 19.0

[Citadelvette]

Sorry about the long list Mike. I'll just send a few countries at a time from now on and wait for reply. I searched my books and he internet and couldn't find reference to Gannets in Chilean or Czech service must have been a typo. I would bring attention the the late RCN models of the Mirage IV-P.

[Citadelvette]

United States
AC-47
AC-119
AV-8A
C-135
C-22B
C-27
C-9B
E-1
E-10
E-2D
E-6
EC-121
F/EF-10B (F3D)
F-1 (FJ)
F-101A/B
F-102A
F-106A
F-11A (F11F)
F-2 (F2H) Banshee
F-3B (F3H)
F-5A/E/F
F-6A (F4D)
RF-101A/C
RQ-8A
MQ-8B


United Kingdom
Hunter F.4/5/6
Javelin FAW.1/9
Scimitar F.1
Victor B.1A/B.2/K.1A/K.2

Russia
Il-87 Maxdome
Ka-52
M-4
Su-15

[Mike D]

United States
560 Citation V OT-47B
A-5A/B
AC-47
AC-119
AT-38B
AV-8A
C-135
C-22B
C-27
C-9B
E-1
E-10
E-2D
E-6
EC-121
F/A-18F
F/EF-10B (F3D)
F-1 (FJ)
F-101A/B
F-102A
F-106A
F-11A (F11F)
F-2 (F2H) Banshee
F-3B (F3H)
F-5A/E/F
F-6A (F4D)
Falcon 20 HU-25A
Falcon 20 HU-25B
Falcon 20 HU-25C
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20F
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20G
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20H
H-43 (HH-43A/B)
HH-52A
King Air 35 RC-350
MH-90
O-1
O-2A/B
QH-50 DASH
RF-101A/C
RQ-8A
MQ-8B
KC-330 MRTT
KC-767

United Kingdom
A330 MRTT
Alpha Jet
Belvedere (HC.1)
C-17
Hunter F.4/5/6
Javelin FAW.1/9
Scimitar F.1
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)
Victor B.1A/B.2/K.1A/K.2
Whirlwind

Russia
Il-114
Il-87 Maxdome
Ka-52
M-4
Mi-1
Mi-4
Mig-AT
Su-15
Tu-28
Yak-130
Yak-24

Can you make your posts smaller, break them up by unit or country or something. These are just too big for me to deal with at one setting.

[Lancer]

How about using a large missile graphic such as the SA-2 along with current SSM doctrine to simulate a stand alone verticle launched type (No vehicle launcher) of BM?

[Citadelvette]

How bout this

Russia
Il-114
Il-87 Maxdome
Ka-52
M-4
Mi-1
Mi-4
Mig-AT
Su-15
Tu-28
Yak-130
Yak-24[/QUOTE]

[Mike D]

How bout this

Russia
Il-114
Il-87 Maxdome
Ka-52
M-4
Mi-1
Mi-4
Mig-AT
Su-15
Tu-28
Yak-130
Yak-24[/quote]

Much better, thanks

[Citadelvette]

I saw that the AC-130A is in the aircraft section but not the US like the A-1H could it be added to the US as well

[Mike D]

I saw that the AC-130A is in the aircraft section but not the US like the A-1H could it be added to the US as well

If you saw it in 19.0 post thins over in the 19.0 bugs thread and I'll get it.

[Mike D]

I saw that the AC-130A is in the aircraft section but not the US like the A-1H could it be added to the US as well

If you saw it in 19.0 post this over in the 19.0 bugs thread and I'll get it fixed.

[Citadelvette]

Su-9 & Su-11

[Citadelvette]

Could the 20mm tailguns be added to the early B-52s at least the B-52D?

[paladin5]

If i remember correctly early B-52's didn't have 20mm only the H's had that all other had 4x .50 cal in the tail.

[Citadelvette]

you might be right, l'll check

[Citadelvette]

Your right I retract my statement.

[DHX]

It's probably impossible but is there any way to add MIRVs to DF-31s or Trident D-5s?

[Lancer]

It's probably impossible but is there any way to add MIRVs to DF-31s or Trident D-5s?

I've done that to simulate what it would be like to use SLBMs. I don't think it will be supported here.

[Citadelvette]

New USA RH-70 helo.

[Mike D]

It's probably impossible but is there any way to add MIRVs to DF-31s or Trident D-5s?

Nope, no nukes in NWP.

[Citadelvette]

Possibly a B version STK Canberra for UK?

[Citadelvette]

RIM-174 SM-6

[Lancer]

Pakistani Khalid Class SSK (Upgraded French Agosta 90B Class, keep in mind Hashmat is the Agosta 70 Class). 3 hulls: Khalid 137SSK, Saad 138SSK, and Hazmat 139SSK.

[DHX]

Nope, no nukes in NWP.


Sorry I didn't make it clear. Conventional MIRVs.

As I understand the new conventional D-4s may have multiple warheads.

Some of the DF-31s are said to have a multiple warhead capability and also there have been rumors of them having an advanced radar guided warhead along the lines of the Pershing 2.

[Mike D]

Sorry I didn't make it clear. Conventional MIRVs.

As I understand the new conventional D-4s may have multiple warheads.

Some of the DF-31s are said to have a multiple warhead capability and also there have been rumors of them having an advanced radar guided warhead along the lines of the Pershing 2.

Probably not. I haven't read anything solid on MIRV conventional warheads, they don't seem real practical. A DF-31 can carry about a 1500lb warhead, how do you divide that up and still have munitions that can have any effect. Three warheads of 500lbs, not allot to justify launching a very expensive missile at a target 500mi away.

If by D-4 you mean the old R-21/SS-N-5 SLBM they are out of use. I think they were all retired/destroyed with the last of the Hotel SSBN's and as part of one of the START or SALT treaties (some one can correct me on this). While they could carry about 3000lbs thats still not much effect, 3x1000lb bombs.

[DHX]

Probably not. I haven't read anything solid on MIRV conventional warheads, they don't seem real practical. A DF-31 can carry about a 1500lb warhead, how do you divide that up and still have munitions that can have any effect. Three warheads of 500lbs, not allot to justify launching a very expensive missile at a target 500mi away.

If by D-4 you mean the old R-21/SS-N-5 SLBM they are out of use. I think they were all retired/destroyed with the last of the Hotel SSBN's and as part of one of the START or SALT treaties (some one can correct me on this). While they could carry about 3000lbs thats still not much effect, 3x1000lb bombs.


I'm sorry I mistyped. Trident D-5 UGM-93B. I understood that there were proposals for both a large unitary version (explosive or kinetic I don't recall) and a MIRVed version with solid kinetic impact warheads.

[Lancer]

I'm sorry I mistyped. Trident D-5 UGM-93B. I understood that there were proposals for both a large unitary version (explosive or kinetic I don't recall) and a MIRVed version with solid kinetic impact warheads.

Either way, it wont work. The missile will "fire" the warheads, but they all follow the same trajectory. Once one is detonated on the target, the following warheads will be taken out of action by the explosive effect. Plus, it is not very feasable in the SCS version as the sim gets stuck after the intercept.

[Mudslide]

Probably not. I haven't read anything solid on MIRV conventional warheads, they don't seem real practical.

I never heard of them either. An intermediate range missile like the Soviet SS-20 was an MRV (Multiple Re-entry Vehicles rather than an MIRV- Multiple Independently-targeted Re-entry Vehicles), three nuclear or three conventional warheads. Its primary function was to destroy area targets, such as ports and airbases, rather than point targets like an headquarters or command/control facility like a Pershing II was intended to be used on.

The logic for mounting conventional MIRVs on ICBMs/SLBMs escapes me. I suppose a situation may exist where destroying or at least damaging a target was time critical and the use of an ICBM/SLBM with a flight time of 12 to 40 minutes to target might be the only way to meet the time criteria, but even so, MRVs would be more effective than MIRVs.

[Mudslide]

What are the chances of getting Dassault Mysteres or Folland Gnats?

They were used by France, India, Israel, Yugoslavia and a few others through the 1960s and mid-1970s.

[Mike D]

What are the chances of getting Dassault Mysteres or Folland Gnats?

They were used by France, India, Israel, Yugoslavia and a few others through the 1960s and mid-1970s.

Not likely unless someone does a graphic for them.

[Mudslide]

Not likely unless someone does a graphic for them.

Well, if you don't ask, the answer is always "no."

My artistic ability is limited to stick people and stick animals. I don't suppose stick planes would wow the crowd.

Is there any way to extrapolate a 3D image from a photograph? I might be able to do that.

[Mike D]

Well, if you don't ask, the answer is always "no."

My artistic ability is limited to stick people and stick animals. I don't suppose stick planes would wow the crowd.

Is there any way to extrapolate a 3D image from a photograph? I might be able to do that.

The graphics for FC have to be created in any .3ds format but, they have to be imported, converted and exported to the format unique to the FC game engine by 3D Studio Max 2.5 or 3.1, both which are 10+ years old and no longer available on the market. 3D Studio Max is now known as 3ds Max, has been sold to Autodesk and is now at version 11 although they call it "2009". Also the game engine is somewhat limited on its rendering capabilities and requires fairly low fidelity models.

All thins means that getting models made is a bit of a problem.

[Mike D]

Possibly a B version STK Canberra for UK?

That's easy to do.

[Mike D]

As this is a huge list I'm going to quote and reply as I go and I'm going to delete from the list units that are already in NWP, I'm not going to add etc.
United States
A-5A/B
AT-38B
F/A-18F
MH-90
KC-330 MRTT
KC-767

A-5 is in NWP as the RA-5, the A-5 was never used in anything but the recon role. deleted

AT-38B - this is a trainer version of the F-5. deleted

F/A-18F is a 2 seat version of the E with no difference in capabilities or loads. deleted

MH-90 was a one off test of the "no tail rotor" concept. deleted

KC-330 MRTT, there is no such thing. deleted

KC-767, see KC-330. deleted


United Kingdom
A330 MRTT
C-17

Added to UK



Russia
Mig-AT
Yak-130


These are trainers only. deleted.

[Mike D]

New USA RH-70 helo.

I think that project got killed. Last I heard Congress deleted the funding yet it was kept as part of the DOD's R&D budget but with $0 funding. I think they're now trying to use the Russian model and generate export orders to pay for the project.

[Mike D]

Added from a post by xav in the 19.0 Bug reports thread.
_____________________

Le Terrible (Triomphant class):
Could we have a class of its own for Le Terrible, or a new “Triomphant*” or Triomphant 2008 or 2010 class? (whichever is more convenient for you)
Reason is Le Terrible just got completed last march, and it comes with a complete new suite of sensors:

1 hull sonar UMS-3000, 1 acoustic rangefinder DUUX-5, 1 DUUG 7; 1 towed antenna DSUV-61B at very low frequency (length: 1000 metres), 1 radar navigation: Racal Decca or Furuno

Therefore the one in game is not accurate. The older subs part of Triomphant class will get retrofitted little by little…

Another important point:
Torpedoes

All Triomphant and Rubis class now use F17 Mod2. L5 torpedoes (the ones in NWP) are not in service anymore.

F 17 mod 2:
533 mm x 5,38 m
1 410 kg
Range: 20 km
Speed: 40 nds
Dive: up to 600 m


Why not add the Horizon class instead?
The two French Horizon ships are already built, one still in sea trials, the other one already delivered to French navy.

It is weird to have Fremm class (still paper ships) and no Horizon class when Horizon class ships are already sailing. You could use the Type 45 graphic for the French and Italian Horizon because they are very close in design.

Fremm Class:
I understand you kept these generic until getting more detail on their specific specs…

However there is more details on the different Fremm versions France is ordering:
Quote:
Anti-Submarine version 5 units ordered



Towed sonar : Captas UMS 4249
Other torpedoes
MILAS ASW missile (Italian ASW FF only)
Multi-beam echo sounder (Italian ASW FF only)

Land attack version 4 units ordered

The Land attack version is dubbed AVT ("Action vers la terre", "action towards land") for france and GP ("General Purpose") for Italy


Otobreda 127/64 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otobreda_127/64) LW with Vulcano guided ammution with a range up to 120km (Italian LA only)
SCALP EG Naval cruise missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Shadow) in Sylver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYLVER_launcher)-70 launchers (French LA only)

Anti-air version 2 units to be ordered

The anti-air version is dubbed FREDA ("Frégates de défense aériennes", "Air defence frigate"). Following the cancellation of the third and fourth Horizon class frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_class_frigate), the French Navy has started studies for an anti-air version of the FREMM, called FREDA. The FREDA should carry 16 Aster 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aster_30) and 16 Aster 15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aster_15). They would also have the standard dotation of one 76 mm gun, two 20 mm guns and 8 Exocet missiles

Add A340 to France’s Air Force. (used to transport troops)
I haven’t checked if HERON UAV is already in game but France operates a derivative of Heron named Eagle…


Since Fremm are there, could you add BARACUDA sub class?

[Citadelvette]

I think that project got killed. Last I heard Congress deleted the funding yet it was kept as part of the DOD's R&D budget but with $0 funding. I think they're now trying to use the Russian model and generate export orders to pay for the project.

I just saw it in my new copy of Jane's A/C Rec Guide and through it in. In regards to the KC-330 and KC-767 thats what my copy of Jane's calls the Boeing and Airbus/N-G contenders to the relaunched KC-X competition that's why I used them- just plain confusing sometimes. Tried to weed out the units already in sorry for what I missed, also sorry about some of those like the Mig-AT & Yak-30 had a couple of books that listed them as Trainer/Light Attack. Noticed the A-29 is already in Brazil as ALX, darn multiple names.:p

[Mike D]

United States
560 Citation V OT-47B
Falcon 20 HU-25A
Falcon 20 HU-25B
Falcon 20 HU-25C
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20F
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20G
Gulfstream SRA-4 C-20H


I don't have a generic business jet graphic I can use for these. Also most of these are just for VIP travel and of no functional military use. So probably not even if I got a graphic.


H-43 (HH-43A/B)
HH-52A


The HH-43 was used so little and was of insignificant in terms of capability and effect.

The HH-52 was used only by US based Coast Guard. So no on both.



King Air 35 RC-350

This was one of the contenders for the Joint Common Sensor program that went 3x over budget and was canceled.

O-1
O-2A/B
QH-50 DASH

Need a graphic for these.




United Kingdom
Alpha Jet

Already in the NWP in two loadouts.



Belvedere (HC.1)
Sycamore (HR.12/13/14, HC.10)

The HC.1 was used by only one country, the UK, for 6 years and in small numbers, less then 15 or so were able to fly at any one time. So no.

Ditto for the Sycamore.



Victor B.1A/B.2/K.1A/K.2

This is a seriously cool aircraft, but its so unique I need a specific graphic for it, which I don't have.


Whirlwind

Do you mean the Westland Whirlwind? That first flew in 1938 and were produced in few numbers in WWII and tended to crash on take off?

Um, no.


Russia
Il-114

This is a civilian turboprop airliner with no military users. No.



Mi-1
Yak-24

Both were strategically unimportant aircraft, so no.


Tu-28

Already in NWP.

[Citadelvette]

[QUOTE=Mike D;9851]Do you mean the Westland Whirlwind? That first flew in 1938 and were produced in few numbers in WWII and tended to crash on take off?

Um, no.[QUOTE]

I thought it was a lincesend built Sikorsky CH-19 and Wessex precursor.

[Mike D]

[quote=Mike D;9851]Do you mean the Westland Whirlwind? That first flew in 1938 and were produced in few numbers in WWII and tended to crash on take off?

Um, no.[quote]

I thought it was a lincesend built Sikorsky CH-19 and Wessex precursor.Is this what you were talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_(fixed_wing) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_%28fixed_wing%29)

[Citadelvette]

I forgot about that WWII fighter-bomber I meant this helicopter, darn names again. Anyway I don't think I would ask for the old WWII Whirlwind I would probably asked for something like a P-51 or F4U:rolleyes:. I try to stick in the 1965-2015 era although a might fudge occasionaly (F2H Banshee w/ AIM-9s for HMCS Bonaventure!):D.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Whirlwind_%28helicopter%29

[xav]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138229

LCS I and LCS II ?

Or no because they are still in competition / experiment / development phase?

[Mike D]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=138229

LCS I and LCS II ?

Or no because they are still in competition / experiment / development phase?

Correct, also because they may never see service beyond prototyping and basic fit-out.

[Pheonix]

Su-35 for Russia
Laser JDAM's for U.S. aircraft and German Tornados

I suppose that you're not going to include the Zumwalt class DD until they start building them?

[Hellbringer84]

Avro Vulcan for UK and Vastergotland SSK for Singapore?

[Citadelvette]

The Vulcan is already in as a bomber and tanker.

[Mike D]

Vastergotland SSK for Singapore?

I'm going to wait a bit on the Vastergotland, there are allot of details yet to be defined. The refit is going to include new sensors, but what new sensors. How about weapon upgrades. Then there is the simple question of unit names. Need to wait till these details are defined and cross checked with verifiable sources.

[xav]

Type 71 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/amphibious/type071.asp
Type 22 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/type022.asp

Subs:
Type 94
Type 93
Type 39a

Plus if I may what is the Lin San Liu class (in game, with the second unit missing a name)?

[Fleet Command CC]

Type 71 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/amphibious/type071.asp
Type 22 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/type022.asp


Welcome to the Naval Warfare Forum. :)

Some nice finds their niceone xav, would be great to is them in Fleet Command. That Type 071 Landing Platform Dock ship look a super warship, what a big helo fight deck. :cool:

I might try have a go at modelling that one, do you know of any other site with more pictures?

[xav]

Thanks FC CC.

Have you tried their forums?

LPD: http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=2599

Stealth Catamaran ship: http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=4076&page=22

[DHX]

I would like to see a few new ground units.


two or three bridges, small medium and large perhaps or approaches and spans to make your own - I currently use the "pad" unit for this and rename them but actual bridges or bridge parts would be more interesting.

a rail yard and railroad target would be cool

electrical substations

central telephone exchanges

radio or communications tower



Again with those I currently use other buildings and rename them but having the units and more accurate damage for those particular types of targets would be nice.

[Lancer]

Generic Icebreaker, perhaps including US Coastguard hulls or Russian nuclear powered hulls. Including light armaments.

[Develo]

hi here is teh Site of the German Ships which have ever exist.

http://www.marine.de/portal/a/marine/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLNzKOD_QxBcmB2d5mIf qRcNGglFR9X4_83FR9b_0A_YLciHJHR0VFAMqV-uU!/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfMjNfUUxE?yw_contentURL=%2F 01DB070000000001%2FW269DNRA311INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp

Please look at the pictures if they are something for the game i can Translate all infos if you want makr one of them into the Game

Thanks

[paladin5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atago_class_destroyer

[seanyw]

Any chance of a Buccaneer RCN?

[Lancer]

Variants of extended deployment vessels (simulating CVBG/SAG groups accompanied by AOE ammunition ships) that can replenish weapons after a lengthy time period.

[Mike D]

Variants of extended deployment vessels (simulating CVBG/SAG groups accompanied by AOE ammunition ships) that can replenish weapons after a lengthy time period.

Any units or countries in specific? There are already several AOR. AO, T-AKE in NWP. Also several versions of tankers and other cargo ships that can be used.

[Mike D]

Any chance of a Buccaneer RCN?

I'll put it on the list.

[Tibe]

The new Scorpene Class submarine with Blackshark torpedos and SM-39 exocet missiles in service with Malasya, Chile, India navies

[Citadelvette]

Tu-126 AEW for Russia

Saab 2000 AEW for Pakistan

[Mike D]

The new Scorpene Class submarine with Blackshark torpedos and SM-39 exocet missiles in service with Malasya, Chile, India navies

I'm waiting on this because there is quite a bit of descrepency on the sensors and performance of both the sub and the torpedo.

[Saffron]

Swedish cruiser HMS Gota Lejon ... decommissioned in '71.

[Lancer]

Any units or countries in specific? There are already several AOR. AO, T-AKE in NWP. Also several versions of tankers and other cargo ships that can be used.

OK, what I meant was, for example, a major vessel such as the Arleigh Burke DDG having not only ready loads, but reloads after a lengthy period of time. This is to simulate replenishment by AOR ships on extended deployment.

[Mike D]

OK, what I meant was, for example, a major vessel such as the Arleigh Burke DDG having not only ready loads, but reloads after a lengthy period of time. This is to simulate replenishment by AOR ships on extended deployment.

Hmmmm.... Interesting idea. The only catch is a reload at sea of a Burke is in the range of 24-50 hours depending on the specific situation and conditions plus 2-4 hours steaming to the AFS/AOE. So 26-54 hours to reload, not sure the db can handle that as it measures reload times in seconds. I'm not even sure we have the capability to reload VLS at sea or not, few countries even have replenishment ships at all.

[Lancer]

Hmmmm.... Interesting idea. The only catch is a reload at sea of a Burke is in the range of 24-50 hours depending on the specific situation and conditions plus 2-4 hours steaming to the AFS/AOE. So 26-54 hours to reload, not sure the db can handle that as it measures reload times in seconds. I'm not even sure we have the capability to reload VLS at sea or not, few countries even have replenishment ships at all.

Thanks for clarifying, it doesn't look feasable afterall. I'll bet the Russians have a hell of a bad track record, and likely accident prone, to replenishment at sea.

[DHX]

I'm not even sure we have the capability to reload VLS at sea or not


If I remember correctly the equipment to reload VLS cells was removed from most, if not all, Aegis ships to allow a couple more missiles to be carried aboard. I believe the cranes and such for reloading the VLS cells took up something like 3 cells in the front and 3 cells in the back. I suppose they figure having the extra room for tomahawks is more useful that the ability to reload missiles at sea, which I understand is quite a complicated and dangerous undertaking that is best done dockside.

[Pheonix]

If I remember correctly the equipment to reload VLS cells was removed from most, if not all, Aegis ships to allow a couple more missiles to be carried aboard. I believe the cranes and such for reloading the VLS cells took up something like 3 cells in the front and 3 cells in the back. I suppose they figure having the extra room for tomahawks is more useful that the ability to reload missiles at sea, which I understand is quite a complicated and dangerous undertaking that is best done dockside.


It is. Here's an idea along similar lines. Correct me if I'm wrong, but after a time, doesn't air operations use up available aircraft ordinance? Having the underway replenishment ships restock all that ordinance, plus used shells and bullets for CIWS and ships cannons would be a really great addition.

KC-130J gunship packages (one 30mm cannon mounted in the left troop door, and Hellfire missiles mounted on the wings)

[DHX]

I realize the unit itself is there but could we pretty please have a model for the CH-53s?


While we're on the subject the more different aircraft and missiles I see in 19, the more really superb graphics models I'm seeing. The A-3, F-100, F-4, F-105, RA-5, AGM-86....

The models of the F-4 and AGM-86 in particular look fantastic as do the RA-5 and A-3. Really, really nice and add a lot to the sim. Oh and the B-57 is extremely cool too.

Whoever the artists are my hat is off to them. Fine work!

[Mudslide]

Thanks for clarifying, it doesn't look feasable afterall. I'll bet the Russians have a hell of a bad track record, and likely accident prone, to replenishment at sea.

A number of reports from the 1960s through the 1970s indicated that the Russians used the "less efficient" stern-to-bow method.

[Pheonix]

the ASDS sub, as well as other SEAL delivery craft such as the Rubber Raider Craft

[Mudslide]

Can we get a Bainbridge (CGN25) circa 1967/1972?

[xav]

New (even basic i.e no texture) Charles de Gaulle?
The original one is just ridiculous proportions wise... It is the lenght of a frigate...

Horizon (french and Italian) (Could use the Type 45 graphics)

Correct FREMM Specs and Versions (Land Attack, Anti Sub and Anti Air configuaration)

Barracuda SSN

[Mike D]

the ASDS sub, as well as other SEAL delivery craft such as the Rubber Raider Craft


Probably not. FC specifically and NWP was designed as a more strategic game that allows you to control some of the tactical implementation. So we trend away from adding small scale tactical systems unless. Besides we currently don't have a way to deploy them from ships.

[Mike D]

KC-130J gunship packages (one 30mm cannon mounted in the left troop door, and Hellfire missiles mounted on the wings)

You mean AC-130? I don't think there are any plans as of yet to convert any "J" models to gunships. The 30mm Bushmaster program was canceled after testing, seems they didn't have the rate of fire desired and tended to rattle the aircraft too much when fired. There was a plan at one time to test the GAU-8 30mm but I don't know what happened to that. The AGM-114 idea, last I read, was shelved for now. It required the deletion of one of the gun systems also there was the problems of mounting the missile pylons to a wing that has two propellers and a wing tank. There was also concern about adding another 800-1000lbs out on the end of the wing and how that would effect the wing loading, saftey, stability and drag. The thought was to delete the wing fuel tank but that cut the loiter time and range of the aircraft by about 30%. There is only a limited useable amount real estate on the wing.

[Pheonix]

You mean AC-130? I don't think there are any plans as of yet to convert any "J" models to gunships. The 30mm Bushmaster program was canceled after testing, seems they didn't have the rate of fire desired and tended to rattle the aircraft too much when fired. There was a plan at one time to test the GAU-8 30mm but I don't know what happened to that. The AGM-114 idea, last I read, was shelved for now. It required the deletion of one of the gun systems also there was the problems of mounting the missile pylons to a wing that has two propellers and a wing tank. There was also concern about adding another 800-1000lbs out on the end of the wing and how that would effect the wing loading, saftey, stability and drag. The thought was to delete the wing fuel tank but that cut the loiter time and range of the aircraft by about 30%. There is only a limited useable amount real estate on the wing.

I read in Aviation Weekly & Space Technology magazine that the Marine Corp is planning on developing a gunship package to temporarily convert KC-130J tankers into gunships, with the armaments I mentioned. It is convertible in the field. I'll try locating the article online.

[Sea Dragon]

Not so much a unit request as a unit update. I mentioned it in my previous post about the T-45 but perhaps it is more applicable here.

The T-23's (And to a lesser extent the Ocean and the Albians) are all currently undergoing several upgrades.

For the T-23 the towed passive sonar is to be upgraded from the 2031Z to the Type 2087 Towed variable depth very low frequency active array.
Sea wolf is recieving an upgrade with the ship borne sensors allowing more reliable engagements. Finally the small calliber guns they have are recieving upgrades as well. (think they are getting an additional one foreward as well).

Numerous other things are planned for the class as well and considering most have started and are due to finish by 2014 it seemed reasonable to mention them to people.

[Jittery]

30 mill avenger was added to on AC130 for trials however it replaced the 20mm & 40mm guns. It was found to be insufficient in firepower & range compared to the 2 guns already carried in existing variants. I cant remember if it was converted back or kept as was in the trial but they canceled the program.

[Sea Dragon]

Okay, couple more that i happened to notice were missing from the UK's list of ships.

1. The RFA Wave Knight and the RFA Wave ruler. Both in Active service but we don't have a class entry for the Wave knight class in NWS? Any chance of getting them?
2. Leaf class large support tanker? There are 4 of them but currently we dont have any.
(RFA Bayleaf, RFA Orangeleaf, RFA Brambleleaf and RFA Oakleaf)
3. Rover class small support tanker? There are two of them but again we dont have them. (RFA Gold Rover and RFA Black Rover!)
4. The two older Fort class? (RFA Fort Austin and Fort Rosalie)
5. Bay class Auxiliary Landing dock ships?
All those are currently in Active service and i doubt the Wave knights and Leafs will go anytime soonish.

[Saffron]

Sea Dragon,

I added all of those ships myself with the Database editor. I just used a Car Carrier or Cargo Ship as a stand-in until (if) they are officially added by NWS. I didn't really look to see if any of those ships has any defensive weapons. I can add ship classes to the game using existing classes, but I don't go so far as to adding weapons and sensors. I don't want to break the game. :eek:

If you don't have the database editor or don't want to monkey with it, just add a car carrier or cargo ship to the game and change the name of it in the the scenario file.

[Sea Dragon]

Saffron, this is of course the logical thing to do untill the units are provided. I also realise the United Kingdom in its current state is not always the most interesting country from an United States point of view (that is in no way meant as an insult i hasten to add!). However while adhoc fixes will work for now, there is a certain sense of satisfaction in an "offical" model and entry for those units. Unless you ask it will not happen.

I would like to ensure that people know i am not in any way trying to be pushy. I am a 20 year old studying physics at university and aspiring to join the RN as an officer. Obviously then i will want the game to focus a little on the RN and the commonwealth. I understand that may not happen but i will still ask.

Btw, i believe Italy and France are also missing that already 'in service' horizon class!

Thank you, Sea Dragon

[Saffron]

Sea Dragon,

Oh, I definitely understand where you're coming from. The more ships, the better, IMO. :D

I just figured I'd give you a work-around until the ships are added officially.

[xav]

China
Type 71 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/amphibious/type071.asp
Type 22 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/type022.asp

Zubr class (Russia, Greece China) would be nice too, but the 3d model probably a pain to create.

[Fleet Command CC]

China
Type 71 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/amphibious/type071.asp
Type 22 http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/littoral/type022.asp

Zubr class (Russia, Greece China) would be nice too, but the 3d model probably a pain to create.

Dam that Type 22 combat catamaran, looks super cool, :D but I would have thought it's top speed would have been faster than 36 knots. :confused:

[Jittery]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyuga_class_destroyer <--- so not a destroyer :o

[Citadelvette]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyuga_class_destroyer <--- so not a destroyer :o

yeah really, but can't use Carrier because the Chinese will be made cause they ain't got one. :( I say to China get over it. I say to Japan put some JSFs on that baby.:D

[paladin5]

yeah really, but can't use Carrier because the Chinese will be made cause they ain't got one. :( I say to China get over it. I say to Japan put some JSFs on that baby.:D


Can the JSF even fit inside the hangar on the Hyuga? And the Wikipedial article says that they cand carry a maximum of 11 helitcopters, so figuring the a JSF take up twice as much hangar space a helo you have a max of around 5, maybe 6 fighters on the ship. it just isn't worth it then.

[Warship NWS]

As noted in the link, the class is intended for ASW operations which for naval units are handled almost exclusively by helos. The design implies that its a helo carrier for ASW and other utility functions. Similiar concepts were the Moskva, Jeanne D Arc, and Vittorio Veneto classes.

Thanks.

[Mike D]

Can the JSF even fit inside the hangar on the Hyuga? And the Wikipedial article says that they cand carry a maximum of 11 helitcopters, so figuring the a JSF take up twice as much hangar space a helo you have a max of around 5, maybe 6 fighters on the ship. it just isn't worth it then.

JSF probably won't fit due to elevator capacity and heat resistance of the flight deck.

JSF weighs about 23 tons EH-101 weights about 16 tons. The engine exhaust from a helo is vented up and out, the F/A-35B is straight down and just a couple of feet from the deck. Probably melt or set the deck on fire.

[xav]

Atlantique 2 Now a Bomber


Since July, maritime patrol aircraft Atlantique 2 of the Navy is certified as a bomber. It can now build bombs guided GBU-12 laser. Its payload is four 250 kg bombs in the bomb bay. To drop its bombs, Atlantic 2 needs another aircraft or a TacP (forward air controller) on the ground illuminates its target, because it does not (yet?) Of its own pod of laser designation. The interest of the Atlantic is that it can stay in flight a dozen hours over these potential targets. Not having self against the surface-to-air weapons, it should however remain at high altitude. This adaptation of an airplane designed to track submarines is justified by a possible job on the African continent, where the threat is low. No question of engaging in Afghanistan: the Atlantic is not a suitable aircraft to fly in the mountains. Nevertheless a sailor! Cool upgrade, France has officialy bombers again :D
http://secretdefense.blogs.liberation.fr/defense/2008/09/exclusif-latlan.html

Could we have a Bomber version ingame?

[Mudslide]

Any possibility of Soviet Kanin-class destroyers?

How about B-57A/Bs? The data-base shows Pakistan with B-57Gs. They took delivery of the B-57A/B without the low-light TV package. I'm not sure they ever got that upgrade. If they did, it would have been around 1976 or so.

Maybe a Bainbridge prior to its 1974 upgrade?

Also on the MIM-14 it shows the range as 24 nm. The down-range should be at least 75 nm. I don't know how the game calculates damage, but the warhead was effectively a 1 ton Claymore mine with a minimum effective blast radius of 500 meters, meaning that any aircraft within 0.5 km would have been damaged or destroyed.

[Develo]

1: F-4F Phantom is from 1975 as Fighter/ Fighter and Fighter/Bomber Roll in the German Luftwaffe.
It´s planed to fly this A/C to the year 2013
175 A/C were build from McDonnell Douglas for German Luftwaffe.

2: MIG-23 http://www.waffenhq.de/flugzeuge/mig29_04.jpg was also in the German Luftwaffe after the breakdown of the "Berliner Mauer" the NVA gives 2 Sqadrons of this fighters to the NATO

3: 4 Each A-310-300 MRTT(Multi Role Tanker Transporter) are in Service of Germany of using by NATO and US HQ.

4: KC-45A (US Signature) A-330 (EADS Signature) this MRTT is the Projekt which the US Goverment want to have for their older KC-135 Stratotanker noboby nows if they buy the 179 A/C for there Air Force, but Australia, Great Britan, South Arabia and the Arabik Emirates want to buy this A/C.

i now that the plans cannot be refueled by air but this units are support vessels which are very interrest for a attacker and for some scenarios.


ok well done i hope my englich is readable i get next year to a english school

[Mike D]

1: F-4F Phantom is from 1975 as Fighter/ Fighter and Fighter/Bomber Roll in the German Luftwaffe.
It´s planed to fly this A/C to the year 2013
175 A/C were build from McDonnell Douglas for German Luftwaffe.

Already in NWP in 3 AAW configurations and 2 STK configurations.



2: MIG-23 http://www.waffenhq.de/flugzeuge/mig29_04.jpg was also in the German Luftwaffe after the breakdown of the "Berliner Mauer" the NVA gives 2 Sqadrons of this fighters to the NATO

What I might do is add East Germany to the county listing and then scenario designers can take it from there.


3: 4 Each A-310-300 MRTT(Multi Role Tanker Transporter) are in Service of Germany of using by NATO and US HQ.

Already in NWP for Germany and Spain


4: KC-45A (US Signature) A-330 (EADS Signature) this MRTT is the Projekt which the US Goverment want to have for their older KC-135 Stratotanker noboby nows if they buy the 179 A/C for there Air Force, but Australia, Great Britan, South Arabia and the Arabik Emirates want to buy this A/C.

i now that the plans cannot be refueled by air but this units are support vessels which are very interrest for a attacker and for some scenarios.

We try to stay away from non-combat country specific aircraft. Instead if you want to have a KC-45 you can use the generic Airbus A300 or Boeing 737-800 or Boeing 747 and then manually rename it to what you want in the scenario file. Thse can all be found under the NEUTRALS on the country list in the Mission editor.



ok well done i hope my englich is readable i get next year to a english school

Your English is allot better then my German. Well done.

[Mike D]

Also on the MIM-14 it shows the range as 24 nm. The down-range should be at least 75 nm. I don't know how the game calculates damage, but the warhead was effectively a 1 ton Claymore mine with a minimum effective blast radius of 500 meters, meaning that any aircraft within 0.5 km would have been damaged or destroyed.


Fixed in 19.01

[Fleet Command CC]

F-4F Phantom is from 1975 as Fighter/ Fighter and Fighter/Bomber Roll in the German Luftwaffe.

I have got this German F-4 Phantom, that a friend of mind made check out the link. :D

http://www.humyo.com/F/1311505-197229527


I hope my english is readable i get next year to a English school

Your doing fine man niceone. :) Here is a web site that mite help you out.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Navy

Just type the word in the search bar and click search, and click on the speaker icon to here the word said. I use this site a lot, because I'm dyslexic and I thought it mite help you with some words your not to sure about. :D

[Tibe]

The Harpoon block II missile..........if is not already in (I didn´t find him)

[Develo]

What I might do is add East Germany to the county listing and then scenario designers can take it from there.


Sorry but that is not what i mean, in the 1990 it was so that the east Germany Ships, Tanks, Airplanes and soldiers comes to the west west German Militäry.

Under this Equipment were 2 Squadrans of MIG-29 which were from this moment aktiv in the german Air Force, the US-Air Force Fight before Desert Storm which this MIG-29 and lose every Fight http://forums.navalwarfare.org/images/icons/icon10.gif but that´s not so interrest.

I have also some Facts about the German Tornado in ASuW role.

This Fighters are very bad for Ships.

They are armed with 2x Komoran2 and 2x HARM.

In the real World they attack at first with the Komoran (they are slower) and when they are on a Cross Point they Start the HARM an the 4 Missiles have the same impact at the Ship.

I was some years ago in a open Airport by the German Navy Fighters

[Pheonix]

i now that the plans cannot be refueled by air but this units are support vessels which are very interrest for a attacker and for some scenarios.

i thought that we could refuel aircraft in mid-air by having them fly in formation at the same point?

[Mike D]

i thought that we could refuel aircraft in mid-air by having them fly in formation at the same point?

Your almost correct, forgot to address this point. Aerial refueling is possible in NWP, you have to have the aircraft to be refueled pointed towards the tanker and within about 50nm of the tanker then use the Ctl-f keys to order a refuel. This got left out of the FC manual and the omission was never corrected so I added to the NWP manual on page 14.

So mid-air refueling does work for certain airplanes in NWP, all the aircraft that are configured from the factory as capable of mid-air refueling are refuelable in NWP.

Some aircraft like the Mirage 5/50, III and the Mig-25, 27, F-104, F-5 and others have separate after-market probe kits that could be installed and removed by users as needed. There is no way we can factor this in so we didn't. There is a bug in the FC game engine and helicopters aren't refuelable and helicopter tankers don't work either.

[Pheonix]

Some aircraft like the Mirage 5/50, III and the Mig-25, 27, F-104, F-5 and others have separate after-market probe kits that could be installed and removed by users as needed. There is no way we can factor this in so we didn't. There is a bug in the FC game engine and helicopters aren't refuelable and helicopter tankers don't work either.

is the V-22 Osprey refuelable?

[xav]

September 18, 2008
Navy accepts first Littoral Combat Ship

The Navy's Supervisor of Shipbuilding Gulf Coast officially accepted delivery of Freedom (LCS 1) on behalf of the Navy from the Lockheed Martin/Marinette Marine/Gibbs and Cox team in Marinette, Wis., today.
"This is a truly exciting day for the Navy. Today marks a critical milestone in fulfilling the need and realizing the vision we began just a few years ago," said Capt. James Murdoch, the LCS program manager. "Despite our challenges, the Navy and industry have continued to press on to build and deliver the first ship of a unique class, a ship class that will give our nation asymmetric advantages against maritime threats."
Since builder's and acceptance trials this summer, the Navy and the Lockheed Martin team have been working to prepare the ship for delivery, sail away and commissioning. With acceptance by the Navy, the LCS crew will move aboard and prepare the ship to depart Marinette Marine for Milwaukee, the location of the ship's commissioning. Upon commissioning, the ship will sail out of the Great Lakes and down the East Coast for Norfolk, Va., making a number of port calls along the way.
Prior to delivery, the Navy's Board of Inspection and Survey (INSURV) conducted acceptance trials aboard LCS 1 Aug. 17-21. INSURV found the ship to be "capable, well-built and inspection-ready" and recommended that the Chief of Naval Operations authorize delivery of the ship.
Because the trials were conducted in Lake Michigan, some ship systems, including aviation and combat systems, could not be demonstrated. Systems not demonstrated during recent trials will be presented to INSURV in early 2009 trials in Norfolk and in the open ocean.
The second LCS, Independence (LCS 2), is currently being built by General Dynamics in the Austal USA shipyard in Mobile, Ala. Independence is scheduled to be christened next month in Mobile.

http://www.marinelog.com/DOCS/NEWSMMVII/2008sep00185.html

Maybe LCS could be added (time permitting) now that it is in USN service.

[Mike D]

is the V-22 Osprey refuelable?

Sorry had to actually check this as I couldn't remember.

No, we had to set the MV-22 up as a helicopter to make it work.

[Mike D]

http://www.marinelog.com/DOCS/NEWSMMVII/2008sep00185.html

Maybe LCS could be added (time permitting) now that it is in USN service.

Nope, the LCS program is dead now. Third ship was canceled and the whole program is being "restructured". (What ever that means.) As it stands the LCS 1 & 2 will probably be just test beds and technology demonstrators.

[paladin5]

Nope, the LCS program is dead now. Third ship was canceled and the whole program is being "restructured". (What ever that means.) As it stands the LCS 1 & 2 will probably be just test beds and technology demonstrators.


Oh boy, it seems the the Virginia class SSN's are the only real bright spot in the Navy's shipbuilding plans for now. :S

[Develo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J40N6DQsnq8&feature=related from the germen Airforce and there A/C

[xav]

Moved from Bug Reports

******************

Singapore should have F15 instead of F35 no? (There is no F15 in Singapore AF inventory).

I am pretty sure you can use Korea's F15k... since The K and SG models are very close.

F-15SG

The F-15SG (formerly the F-15T) is a variant of the F-15E, currently ordered by the Republic of Singapore Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Singapore_Air_Force) (RSAF) after a seven-year evaluation period involving five other fighter aircraft under consideration. The F-15SG was chosen on 6 September (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_6) 2005 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005) over the Dassault Rafale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale), the only remaining aircraft still in contention.[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15_Strike_Eagle#cite_note-39)
The F-15SG is similar in configuration to the F-15K sold to South Korea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea), but differs in the addition of the APG-63(V)3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APG-63_and_APG-70_radars) active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar developed by Raytheon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon). The F-15SG will be powered by two General Electric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric) F110-GE-129 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_F110) 29,400 lbf (131 kN) thrust engines.



http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-09/07/content_475770.htm

[Pheonix]

AGM-88E for F/A-18C-G

[Mike D]

AGM-88E for F/A-18C-G

Already there in 19.0. The 88E is on the EA-18G EW~, F-16-C-50 SEAD~, F/A-18E SEAD~ and Tornado ECR SEAD~.

I didn't add it to many of the USAF aircraft because frankly the AF hasn't shown an intrest in it. Also, I have conflicting information but it seems that the E model may require a different data connection then the older model. Which would prevent its use on older aircraft. I'm still looking for more solid info on this.

[paladin5]

Already there in 19.0. The 88E is on the EA-18G EW~, F-16-C-50 SEAD~, F/A-18E SEAD~ and Tornado ECR SEAD~.

I didn't add it to many of the USAF aircraft because frankly the AF hasn't shown an intrest in it. Also, I have conflicting information but it seems that the E model may require a different data connection then the older model. Which would prevent its use on older aircraft. I'm still looking for more solid info on this.


I love that missile when it is on the E/A-18G. It is my new favorite anti-ship missile. Thanks for including it in the game Mike. :)

[Pheonix]

Already there in 19.0. The 88E is on the EA-18G EW~, F-16-C-50 SEAD~, F/A-18E SEAD~ and Tornado ECR SEAD~.

I didn't add it to many of the USAF aircraft because frankly the AF hasn't shown an intrest in it. Also, I have conflicting information but it seems that the E model may require a different data connection then the older model. Which would prevent its use on older aircraft. I'm still looking for more solid info on this.
the article i read said that it was so far only being deployed on USN Hornets. i'm currently looking for the article online but i'm having trouble looking for it (it was in this past week's issue of Aviation Weekly & Space Technology magazine, Two for One, Limited weapon-bay space in F-35 drives talks at the Pentagon on a new weapon, by Graham Warwick and Amy Butler).

[Saffron]

Valour Class (MEKO A-200SAN) for South Africa. All four have been in service since 2006-7.

[Sea Dragon]

Hey guys, just some things i have noticed with the Leander class.

Batch 1 originally was armed with the 4.5 gun, Limbo, ASW helicopter (Wessex) and Sea cat as its primary weapons.

Batch 1 was convereted though....this appears to be missing, the 4.5 gun was removed for an Ikara anti submarine weapon making the ship principly an Anti-Submarine weapon.


Batch 2 seems fine

Batch 3 had 5 ships split into the Broad Beamed conversion giving them Sea Wolf, Exocet, 3 20mm guns and the ASW Helo (Lynx)

The rest had sea cat, twin 4.5, 40mm, 20mm and limbo motor.

Oh i also noted that the county class haven't been split into Batch 1 and 2

Batch 1 (4 ships) had 2 twin 4.5inch gun turrets and its guided missile weapons, small callibre guns and its helo

Batch 2 (4 ships) where refitted with exocet in place of one of the twin 4.5inch gun turrets, also batch 2 had the arrangement of missile storage changed so more Sea Slug missiles could be fitted.

[xav]

MBDA launches production of the Exocet MM40 Block3

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/6894.jpg

The production of the latest generation of Exocet began in the plant MBDA of Selles-Saint-Denis, near Bourges (France). Launched in 2004 after abandoning the project ANF (Anti Vessel Future base on the ASMP-A Tactical Nuke), the development of the Exocet MM40 Block3 was financed by the Navy, the General Delegation for Armaments (DGA) and MBDA. The new missile has a range of 180 kilometers, more than double the MM 40 currently in use (72 kilometers). At the architecture of the munition, the MM40 Block3 differs from previous generations by a turbojet propulsion (allowing gain range), hosting a GPS giving capability against land targets. Its speed reaches Mach 0.9. To position itself on the market for upgrading previous versions widely disseminated worldwide, MBDA has retained the missile dimensions (length of 5.8 meters and diameter of 35 centimeters). The objective is achieved, plus a reduction of 15% to 740kg, allowing a minimum integration of this version MM40 Block3 on existing platforms. For now, the first ammunition produced Selles-Saint-Denis are for export, several marine Foreign having already opted for this new weapon system. MBDA expects, in addition, the notification of 45 missiles for the Navy. Budgeted in 2008, this order is coming in the comming weeks. The Exocet MM40 Block3 will equip the Horizon frigates and FREMM, and some frigates of the French fleet equipped with MM40 Block2. A first launch from Forbin DDG is scheduled in 2009.

http://www.meretmarine.com/objets/500/6897.jpg

Could you please add a Blk III version of MM40 on the future FREMMs, Horizon class and Lafayette Class ?

[Pheonix]

Griffin missile for U.S. Predator's
Viper Strike for Hunter UAV's

[Mike D]

Griffin missile for U.S. Predator's
Viper Strike for Hunter UAV's


The GBU-44/B Viper Strike is already loaded on the MQ-5B Hunter STK in NWP 19.0.

Now the Griffin you got me on, never heard of it till now. Do you have a model number for it? After a quick search it almost seems like it may be a AIM-9 body with a FGM-148 guidance package. ???

[Pheonix]

The GBU-44/B Viper Strike is already loaded on the MQ-5B Hunter STK in NWP 19.0.

Now the Griffin you got me on, never heard of it till now. Do you have a model number for it? After a quick search it almost seems like it may be a AIM-9 body with a FGM-148 guidance package. ???

you basically got the gist of it. i honestly just read about it in this month's issue of Defense Technology International. "Raytheon's Griffin missile is a similar venture of reusing technology. Unveiled in June, the Griffin combines components from the company's AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missile and Javelin man-portable anti-armor missile. It weighs 45 lb. with launcher. Griffin currently has a semi-active laser seeker, but Raytheon says that various seeker and warhead options will be available...The weapon has already been integrated with the Predator, with a three-round Griffin launcher replacing a single Hellfire missile." http://www.zinio.com/express3?issue=301898271 (http://www.zinio.com/express3?issue=301898271) (page 54)

[xav]

What do you think about adding some generic (no country specific, one fits all nation...) midget sub?
There is a proliferation of midget subs out there, and it would be cool to have some generic ones in game:
One armed (to simulate North Korean and Iranians ones. Russian or Chinese Torpedoes maybe?) and one not armed (to simulate drug smugglers).

What do you think Mike?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=3229 (scroll down a little to the midget sub section)

Drug smuggler sub: http://www.davickservices.com/ColumbianDrugSub.jpg

Iranian midget sub:
http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/ghadir.jpg

North Korean midget sub:
http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_808653/200802/1203534674_01.gif

SMX-23 Concept midget sub:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2136/4307rg6.jpg

[Fleet Command CC]

What do you think about adding some generic (no country specific, one fits all nation...) midget sub?
There is a proliferation of midget subs out there, and it would be cool to have some generic ones in game:
One armed (to simulate North Korean and Iranians ones. Russian or Chinese Torpedoes maybe?) and one not armed (to simulate drug smugglers).


Hey xav

That would be cool to see some of these midget subs in Fleet Command, but I don't think Mike will want to add them, but then again he might like to. :)

[Pheonix]

if we're adding midget submarines, then i suggest adding the ASDS as well. i know that there may be difficulties in how to incorporate it onto "motherships", but couldn't you just program the submarines to have a "hangar" from surface ships or something along those lines?

[xav]

Any thoughts Mike?

[Mike D]

Any thoughts Mike?

FCCC has me figured out.

Probably not. Currently I have over 200+ unit requests for major combatants, subs like the Scorpene and S-80, more Type 214, ships like the Cavour CVH, FREMM, Juan Carlos LHD, the KDX series, several ships for Japan, tons of aircraft and many wonderful new graphics to install. Not counting doctrinal improvement, db updates and corrections. Adding an unarmed midget sub? That not only goes to the bottom of the list, it goes on the back side of the page the bottom of the list is on.

Always happy to take requests, but.... :D

[xav]

No problem :)
Like you I rather see FREMM, Cavour, the Asian mini carriers etc... than midget subs too ;)

I was just trying to create a scenario with North Korea the other day, and looked for information on their navy and I was surprised when I saw all the ships in the North Korean navy (
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=3229 ) and realized very few were in FC... but ya we can't have it all, and I am very happy with what we have.

I will just improvise like use units from china and iran (their fast boats were actually sold by NK according to the link), or the use the available russian SSKN in lieu of the Golf II class the link claims NK has. :cool:

[Pheonix]

SM-6 for the U.S.

[Mike D]

SM-6 for the U.S.

I'll have to look into it but I don't think any contracts have been let for the SM-6. Just R&D funds and delivery of testing and evaluation units.

[DHX]

How about SM3s? It would be neat to make some scenarios with ballistic missile defense patrols.

It would be really nice if a person could have some sort of time on target or launch time capability and targeting capability for the various ballistic missiles so that you could get them to launch at certain times throughout a scenario and at certain targets.

I'm currently using a truck or something to ID targets but that makes for a short scenario with just a spasm of missile launches and then nothing.

[Pheonix]

what would be great is having the ability to launch whole missile barrages from submarines before they go below coms depth. it always annoys me how i'm only able to launch a few missiles before i can't give my submarines any additional orders.

[Lancer]

How about SM3s? It would be neat to make some scenarios with ballistic missile defense patrols.

It would be really nice if a person could have some sort of time on target or launch time capability and targeting capability for the various ballistic missiles so that you could get them to launch at certain times throughout a scenario and at certain targets.

I'm currently using a truck or something to ID targets but that makes for a short scenario with just a spasm of missile launches and then nothing.

The only problem with TBMs is that you will have to create some sort of enemy sensor tactic (reconnaissance flyover, infantry placement near target, etc) for these missiles controlled by the AI to "see" and launch against these ground targets.

[xav]

The only problem with TBMs is that you will have to create some sort of enemy sensor tactic (reconnaissance flyover, infantry placement near target, etc) for these missiles controlled by the AI to "see" and launch against these ground targets.

Just check "auto-detect" box and it does the trick no?
(I always check Auto Detect boxes for airfields because everybody know where they are nowadays... you can even find out on google!)

[paladin5]

Just check "auto-detect" box and it does the trick no?
(I always check Auto Detect boxes for airfields because everybody know where they are nowadays... you can even find out on google!)


*worships the all knowing Google*

[Mudslide]

Just check "auto-detect" box and it does the trick no?
(I always check Auto Detect boxes for airfields because everybody know where they are nowadays... you can even find out on google!)

It is kind of silly isn't it? I mean everyone has satellite data going as far back as 1965. Ramstein AB isn't exactly going anywhere. It's the same with ports and embassies.

[Lancer]

Just check "auto-detect" box and it does the trick no?
(I always check Auto Detect boxes for airfields because everybody know where they are nowadays... you can even find out on google!)

Sorry, won't work. See, yes the AI will see these objects, however, they will be seen as unknowns (Denoted in yellow). The AI will not fire until objects are confirmed enemies (denoted in red). This is the reason for flyovers or enemy placements near targets.

[Pheonix]

Heron UAV for Canada
LRIP for AARGM has been approved by the U.S. Navy
Cessna Caravan 208 ISR aircraft capable of firing Hellfire missiles for the Iraqi Air Force

withdraw ARH from database as the program was just cancelled

[Jittery]

Give them a Special Forces squad near by so they can see it straight away. It isn't so far fetched for them to do this for BDA anyway.

[Pheonix]

JASSM-ER
Beechcraft King Air 350s outfitted for long-range ISR operations for the Iraqi Air Force

[Mike D]

LRIP for AARGM has been approved by the U.S. Navy

The AGM-88E is already in NWP 19.0 on the EA-18G EW~, F-16C-50 SEAD~, F/A-18E SEAD~ and Tornado ECR SEAD~.



Cessna Caravan 208 ISR aircraft capable of firing Hellfire missiles for the Iraqi Air Force

Need someone to do me a generic Caravan graphic before I can do this.



withdraw ARH from database as the program was just cancelled

The AH/RAH/ARH-70A was never in NWP, my crystal ball told me it was going to get canceled so I never added it.

[Pheonix]

C-27J for Morocco

[DHX]

Hsiung Feng 2E for Taiwan.

[yls]

PRC

051C DDG
054A FFG
039A SSK
956EM DDG

H-6H/M (with KD63/88 LACM)

[steel_selachian]

In case nobody's mentioned it, Shang-class (Type 093) SSN and Jin-class (type 094) SSBN for the PLAN.

[Saffron]

Almirante Grau CG for Peru

[Mike D]

PRC

956EM DDG

Already in 19.0 as Sovremenny (CH) DDG




H-6H/M (with KD63/88 LACM)

Already in NWP as H-6IV STK*

Take a look at Alan Caso's wonderful spreadsheet or the "NWP 19.0 Final" text file. Both were installed with 19.0 in the games home folder. All of the units in NWP are in one or both of these documents.

[Mike D]

In case nobody's mentioned it, Shang-class (Type 093) SSN and Jin-class (type 094) SSBN for the PLAN.

I've been holding off on these because there isn't really strong information on the sensor suites actual capabilities nor on the noise level of the subs. Also there have been rumors of a new torpedo for the 093/094 based on either the A-184 or the DM2 series. I wanted to see if I could nail these rumors down and get more operational info before I added them to NWP.

[yls]

Already in 19.0 as Sovremenny (CH) DDG


Already in NWP as H-6IV STK*

Take a look at Alan Caso's wonderful spreadsheet or the "NWP 19.0 Final" text file. Both were installed with 19.0 in the games home folder. All of the units in NWP are in one or both of these documents.


@:THX,but the ship without Kashtan system and didn't remove the Aft main gun AND AK-630 CIWS.

@:I check it thx, I saw H-6IV STK* with KD63 only.

[Mike D]

@:THX,but the ship without Kashtan system and didn't remove the Aft main gun AND AK-630 CIWS.

@:I check it thx, I saw H-6IV STK* with KD63 only.

Misread your post, you were asking about the KD-88. It doesn't exist yet, only static models at a couple of air shows and photos on aircraft that I can find. There aren't even any reports of test firing and slick sheets from the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show never mention testing successes. Reports conflict on if it has actually gone into production. No orders for or working units yet that I can find or info that 3rd Academy has a manufacturing line. Also their are conflicts in guidance packages and capabilities. (Here is a tip for those doing weapon research, look for production and technical capabilities, facilities and supply chain.) I'll keep looking though. I've ordered some research papers and other newer data sources to get some more up-to-date on China.

My suspicion is that its not in production yet due to guidance packages, the airframe and propulsion is the same as the production C-802 so there are no real problems there, and PLAAF is using the KD-63 as a test-bed for this.

[yls]

JAPAN

Hyūga DDH(actually CVH as 13,500 tons standard &18,000 tons full load).

Osumi LST(again,like LPD or LSD rather than LST )

Atago DDG

S KOREA
KDXIII DDG
KDXII DDG (Change the class name to Yi Sun-sin class and add the hull)
Dokdo LPH

type 214 SSK

[Mike D]

JAPAN

Hyūga DDH(actually CVH as 13,500 tons standard &18,000 tons full load).

Osumi LST(again,like LPD or LSD rather than LST )

Atago DDG

S KOREA
KDXIII DDG
KDXII DDG (Change the class name to Yi Sun-sin class and add the hull)
Dokdo LPH

type 214 SSK

Bugger, I thought we had already added the Atago.

On the list.

[Sea Dragon]

If no one has yet mentioned it the Australlians are planning to build a class of 3 Hobart DDG destroyers for 2013.

[steel_selachian]

They're currently in there as the "River" class I suppose, but the model for that is an Arleigh Burke. The winning design is an Australian version of the Alvaro de Bazan-class FFG; I set it up in my copy by using the database editor to add the Bazan-class to Australia's mission records and changing the display name. Units planned are the Hobart, Brisbane, and Sydney with the possibility of ordering a fourth unit, Melbourne.

Additionally, Australia has ordered two 27,000-ton Canberra-class LHAs, Canberra and Adelaide, based on the Navantia Juan Carlos I-class. Likely aircraft loadout is a mix of S-70B-2 ASW, MRH-90 TRN, and Tiger ARH helos; although the design has a ski jump and could handle the F-35B the Australians have no plans to order STOVL fighters or add a radar system for operating fixed-wing aircraft.

And just a question on the critera for adding new units - if we're limited to stuff we know specific systems for or is likely in the pipeline, than what the heck is the Province-class DDG doing in the 19.0 database? Last I checked that was just a program office.

[Mike D]

And just a question on the critera for adding new units - if we're limited to stuff we know specific systems for or is likely in the pipeline, than what the heck is the Province-class DDG doing in the 19.0 database? Last I checked that was just a program office.

You got me on that one, I don't recognize it. I'm not near a db so what country is that under and I'll look into it.

[paladin5]

You got me on that one, I don't recognize it. I'm not near a db so what country is that under and I'll look into it.


It is listed under Canada.


Hey anyway we could add the DASH ASW drone, assuming someone would make a model for it?

[Mike D]

It is listed under Canada.


Hey anyway we could add the DASH ASW drone, assuming someone would make a model for it?

Wow! I honestly don't know where Providence class came from, probably been there for quite awhile and no one caught it. I'm going to remove it from Canada but keep it in the db for now until I can do some further research and see what the design and procurement status is.

I think seanyw has done a graphic for the Dash already, so we'll add it to the release after 19.01.

[steel_selachian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province-class_destroyer

From the sound of it they haven't even come up with a design yet, although one would hope they get moving as the Iroqouis-class is supposed to start decommissioning in 2010.

[paladin5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province-class_destroyer

From the sound of it they haven't even come up with a design yet, although one would hope they get moving as the Iroqouis-class is supposed to start decommissioning in 2010.

Actually one of the Iroqouis class ships , the HMCS Huron, was already decommisioned and disposed of by SINKEX

[paladin5]

Wow! I honestly don't know where Providence class came from, probably been there for quite awhile and no one caught it. I'm going to remove it from Canada but keep it in the db for now until I can do some further research and see what the design and procurement status is.

I think seanyw has done a graphic for the Dash already, so we'll add it to the release after 19.01.


Thanks Mike, and as for the Provence class it has been since at least 18.2 when I first installed NWP, but I always assumed you added it for a reason. Well you know what they say about assumptions...

[steel_selachian]

Also as a note, the mission records for the San Antonio LPD and Virginia SSN need to be updated and the America-class LHA could be put in - minor changes, I've already done them in my copy with the database editor.

[bradglover]

I was thinking, and I hope I got the right thread for this, that there is a different way the whole infantry and MBTs and ARTYs can be approached in FC. The way they are now in the mod great, but the problem that I ran into is that looking at what information came up when I placed units like these, I thought they would be mobile since they show a speed monitor. So, what if instead of infantry there was Infantry Position... with a model of say 10 foxholes with lil' heads sticking up. And what about MBT Position, with a MBT in a defiled like position with say a camo net over it, and the same with the ARTY. I think this may help make the ground units a little more realistic and help with game play...

Then again, I don't know alot about changing units or modeling so I could be totally talking outta my butt here...

I hope this helps.

[paladin5]

I was thinking, and I hope I got the right thread for this, that there is a different way the whole infantry and MBTs and ARTYs can be approached in FC. The way they are now in the mod great, but the problem that I ran into is that looking at what information came up when I placed units like these, I thought they would be mobile since they show a speed monitor. So, what if instead of infantry there was Infantry Position... with a model of say 10 foxholes with lil' heads sticking up. And what about MBT Position, with a MBT in a defiled like position with say a camo net over it, and the same with the ARTY. I think this may help make the ground units a little more realistic and help with game play...

Then again, I don't know alot about changing units or modeling so I could be totally talking outta my butt here...

I hope this helps.

For something like that new 3d models would have to be made. :s

[bradglover]

Is the Gerald R. Ford class being added to 19.01?

[Mike D]

Also as a note, the mission records for the San Antonio LPD and Virginia SSN need to be updated and the America-class LHA could be put in - minor changes, I've already done them in my copy with the database editor.

The San Antonio and Virginia are fixed. The America is on the list.

[Mike D]

I was thinking, and I hope I got the right thread for this, that there is a different way the whole infantry and MBTs and ARTYs can be approached in FC. The way they are now in the mod great, but the problem that I ran into is that looking at what information came up when I placed units like these, I thought they would be mobile since they show a speed monitor. So, what if instead of infantry there was Infantry Position... with a model of say 10 foxholes with lil' heads sticking up. And what about MBT Position, with a MBT in a defiled like position with say a camo net over it, and the same with the ARTY. I think this may help make the ground units a little more realistic and help with game play...

Then again, I don't know alot about changing units or modeling so I could be totally talking outta my butt here...

I hope this helps.

I use the "Bunker Light" or "Pill Box-Light" for what your talking about

[Mike D]

Is the Gerald R. Ford class being added to 19.01?

On the list.

[djcyclone]

Just thought of a Unit that I am not sure if you guys ever did a design for.

There is a Stealth Ship that the US Navy developed, and deployed as an experiment only. It did not have any weapons that I am aware of, but it did exsist.

I am not sure what the class is, but you guys could probably find out that information.

I played a game on Playstation called Nuclear Strike. In the game you are an appachie pilot, and this ship is your base for landing. In the game it has a chopper pad on top of it, but I am not sure if it actually had a chopper pad or not.

The reason I know it is real, is I have seen actual video of it underway. It is probably a little bigger than a patrol boat, but is black from top to bottom (like a stealth fighter), and is one of the most unique looking ships that was ever developed.

[Pheonix]

Just thought of a Unit that I am not sure if you guys ever did a design for.

There is a Stealth Ship that the US Navy developed, and deployed as an experiment only. It did not have any weapons that I am aware of, but it did exsist.

I am not sure what the class is, but you guys could probably find out that information.

I played a game on Playstation called Nuclear Strike. In the game you are an appachie pilot, and this ship is your base for landing. In the game it has a chopper pad on top of it, but I am not sure if it actually had a chopper pad or not.

The reason I know it is real, is I have seen actual video of it underway. It is probably a little bigger than a patrol boat, but is black from top to bottom (like a stealth fighter), and is one of the most unique looking ships that was ever developed.
are you talking about the Sea Shadow? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/US_Navy_Sea_Shadow_stealth_craft.jpg/800px-US_Navy_Sea_Shadow_stealth_craft.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/US_Navy_Sea_Shadow_stealth_craft.jpg)file:///C:/Users/Jacob/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpgfile:///C:/Users/Jacob/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg

[djcyclone]

That would be it.

Just figured I would ask if you guys have made a model for it in your version of FC?

I do not think it has any weapons, but it is nearly invisible to modern radars.

[Mike D]

Just thought of a Unit that I am not sure if you guys ever did a design for.

There is a Stealth Ship that the US Navy developed, and deployed as an experiment only. It did not have any weapons that I am aware of, but it did exsist.

I am not sure what the class is, but you guys could probably find out that information.

I played a game on Playstation called Nuclear Strike. In the game you are an appachie pilot, and this ship is your base for landing. In the game it has a chopper pad on top of it, but I am not sure if it actually had a chopper pad or not.

The reason I know it is real, is I have seen actual video of it underway. It is probably a little bigger than a patrol boat, but is black from top to bottom (like a stealth fighter), and is one of the most unique looking ships that was ever developed.

It was a one-off technology demonstrator. It has no weapons or sensors except a nav radar. The major crew accommodation were a few folding cots, a chemical camping toilet and a microwave. Right now DARPA is looking for a museum or similar to donate it to.

As it was a R&D platform and was never intended for actual use it won't get into NWP. Cool boat though. Its a parallel of the Tacit Blue aircraft and program

[DHX]

It was a one-off technology demonstrator. It has no weapons or sensors except a nav radar. The major crew accommodation were a few folding cots, a chemical camping toilet and a microwave. Right now DARPA is looking for a museum or similar to donate it to.

As it was a R&D platform and was never intended for actual use it won't get into NWP. Cool boat though. Its a parallel of the Tacit Blue aircraft and program

I think it was Have Blue not Tacit Blue. Have Blue was Lockheed and Tacit Blue was Northrup. The Lockheed work was developing faceting which led to the F-117 while Tacit Blue involved the more difficult and complex continuous curvature stealth technology (and other stuff) which eventually led to the B-2. I think the radar system on Tacit Blue eventually led to JSTARS.

In his book, "Skunkworks", Ben Rich described all sorts of faceting based stealth ideas pitched to the navy including aircraft carriers and submarines. Also has some interesting comments on dealing with the Navy including an incident with the Sea Shadow and the lack of a paint locker.


If I remember right they refurbished the Sea Shadow around 2000 or so for some testing work with the fleet and for some LCS and DDX related testing but a couple of years ago the put it back in mothballs.


Neat looking ship and a shame to have it rotting away somewhere.

[paladin5]

It is a shame to see any ship rotting away in the mothball fleet, but it is unavoidable.

[Pheonix]

Ka-52 Alligator attack chopper for Russia
Valour class frigates, Super Lynx helicopter (naval version), and Type-209/1400 class submarines for South Africa
LCS-I for Israel
AGM-88E for Italy

[steel_selachian]

If not yet mentioned, KDX-III DDG and Son-won Il SSK for South Korea.

[paladin5]

Durango Class OPV for Mexico

[Mike D]

Ka-52 Alligator attack chopper for Russia Been waiting hoping someone would do a graphic, but I can use a generic graphic.


AGM-88E for Italy
Already there. Look for the Tornado ECR SEAD~ with 4xAGM-88E AARGM

[steel_selachian]

Just to check, will we be needing more F-35A armament variants? I ask because last I checked Australia is using ASRAAM as its standard IR AAM and Norway, Italy, and Spain are using IRIS-T.

[Mike D]

Just to check, will we be needing more F-35A armament variants? I ask because last I checked Australia is using ASRAAM as its standard IR AAM and Norway, Italy, and Spain are using IRIS-T.

Haven't thought about it. We'll look into it.

Thanks.

[Pheonix]

MAR-1 anti-radiation missile for Pakistan
i assume that Britain's ASTOR aircraft are already incorporated?

[steel_selachian]

Also speaking of the F-35, apparently someone from Lockheed-Martin recently stated that at some point they're going to set the internal bays (at least in the A and C models) up to carry a total of 6 AMRAAMs.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a4f04259d-8fca-4e42-8e17-44f5dca7edf4

I was also thumbing around the Web and noticed that as far as I can figure, the UK hasn't purchased JDAM - if so, should GBU-32s be deleted from the UK F-35Bs? Seems they're going with the GPS/laser-guided Paveway-IV as the weapon of choice.

[steel_selachian]

Looks like we have another addition to the Virginia-class for 2015 - http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/01/navy_subname_010809w/

[Mike D]

i assume that Britain's ASTOR aircraft are already incorporated?

Nope but I'll put it on the list, it'll be easy to add.

[Mike D]

Looks like we have another addition to the Virginia-class for 2015 - http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/01/navy_subname_010809w/


Got it, added.

[Mike D]

Also speaking of the F-35, apparently someone from Lockheed-Martin recently stated that at some point they're going to set the internal bays (at least in the A and C models) up to carry a total of 6 AMRAAMs.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a4f04259d-8fca-4e42-8e17-44f5dca7edf4

I was also thumbing around the Web and noticed that as far as I can figure, the UK hasn't purchased JDAM - if so, should GBU-32s be deleted from the UK F-35Bs? Seems they're going with the GPS/laser-guided Paveway-IV as the weapon of choice.

I'll look into both. Although until there is a firm announcement on the 6xAIM-120 I'm not going to add it.

[steel_selachian]

That's probably prudent, although the idea makes sense (seeing as a 1,000-bl JDAM takes up 2 AIM-120 spots in the F-22A centerline bay).

[Mike D]

Britain's ASTOR aircraft are already incorporated?

I took the S100 AEW and added it to the UK as the Sentinel R1 AEW. Essentially they have the same capabilities.

[Pheonix]

MIG-29 and Hunter fighters for Lebanon
SDB for Israel
P-8I for India
FA-50 for South Korea

[xav]

Please add FREMM to Morocco (1 ship) and Greece (6 ships, details on weapons below)

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Greece starts defence purchase talks with France


ATHENS, Jan 22 (Reuters) - Greece will launch bilateral talks with France to buy six Fremm-type frigates and 15 Super Puma (EAD.PA (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=EAD.PA)) search-and-rescue helicopters, the Greek defence minister said on Thursday.
Vangelis Meimarakis told reporters Greece should also place an order for new fighter jets this year, though he did not specify the size of the order or the possible defence contractors involved.
"The green light has been given for talks between Greece and France for a bilateral agreement to purchase six Fremm-type frigates, made by the Italo-French group Armaris (TCFP.PA (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=TCFP.PA))," Meimarakis told reporters.
"Also, the purchase of 15 search-and-rescue Super Puma helicopters will be discussed," he added, without providing further details.
French officials have said France has been involved in unofficial discussions to sell Greece its new high-tech Rafale fighter, made by Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=AVMD.PA)).
Industry sources say it faces competition from the German-built Eurofighter (EAD.PA (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=EAD.PA)) BA.L and the F-16 plane manufactured by Lockheed-Martin (LMT.N (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=LMT.N)). (Reporting by Daniel Flynn; Editing by David Holmes) I'll try to sum up :

the plan is about six Fremms for Greece (european frigates, already bought by France, Italy and Marocco).

characteristics :
142 m x 20 m
6000 tons
advanced stealth technology
Herakles radar

weapon system :
Mu 90 torpedos
1 x helicopter
Exocet MM40 Block3 (anti-ship missiles with shore attack capability, x8, range : 180 km)
Scalp Naval cruise missile, if permitted by the french governement (x16, range : +1000km )
Aster 30 missiles (sea to air long range, x16, 70 km range)
Mica VL missiles (sea to air short range, x24, 15km range)
127 mm gun
.50 machine guns

both Aster 30 and Mica VL are effective against missiles.

the construction could be provided by Elefsis, in Greece.

some pictures :

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/776/12090jn4.jpg

(general view)




http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8209/12409ud1.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2928/12410mt7.jpg








http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8739/12408mu2.jpg
(Mica VL launchers)

[DHX]

Would there be any way to add tethered aerostat radars? They seem to be used more and more these days.

[Pheonix]

i assume that the Shivalik and Admiral Sergei Gorshkov class frigates and Kolkata class destroyer are in the database?

[Develo]

hi,

I have only the question if it could be possible to add the North American XB-70 Valkyrie in to the Game.

Its one of the greates A/C which were ever build.

Thanks

[Mike D]

hi,

I have only the question if it could be possible to add the North American XB-70 Valkyrie in to the Game.

Its one of the greates A/C which were ever build.

Thanks

Sorry no. The XB-70 was never a production aircraft.

Let me give you our policy on adding units out of the NWP manual.


The NWP database covers a period of about 1965 to 2015 with exceptions. The basis for deciding what units go into NWP is based on a) the unit actually in use by an armed force currently or in the past and b) firm proof that the unit is on its way to being used by an armed force in the future. This proof would be actual orders placed, deliveries in process, production line being built, etc. Prototypes, hypothetical, pre-production models, unsold export models; “what-ifs,” etc. will not go into the NWP db. We strive for realism in NWP

[Mike D]

i assume that the Shivalik and Admiral Sergei Gorshkov class frigates and Kolkata class destroyer are in the database?

No, no and no. I'll have to do some research, these are new to me.

[steel_selachian]

The Gorshkov is a new blue-water escort class being built for the Russians - the plans are to build about 20 of them over the next fifteen years or so. Basically looks like it's going to be a Russian variant of the Talwar FFG armed with either 8x BrahMos or 8x SS-N-26 Yakhont in a VLS launcher.

The Kolkata is supposedly a new low-observable destroyer being built for India. Ther are at least two hulls under construction.

[Jittery]

JDAM-ER (Australia)

http://www.aviationnews.eu/?p=5154
http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-JDAMPt2.pdf
http://defence.gov.au/defencemagazine/editions/200809_03/dsto_jdam-er.pdf

I'm not sure what links/info you need before inclusion but first indicates production starting 2010.

[Sea Dragon]

I know this has probably already been mentioned, possibly by myself as well. However the Wave class, Rover class and Leaf class tankers still aren't around for the UK.

[Saffron]

This isn't a unit request, but a request nonetheless:

Is it possible to gain 200 points for rescuing a pilot rather than just getting 200 points for killing them?

Just a thought.

[steel_selachian]

I've wondered about that too - I'm usually a merciful chap and scramble an Osprey to pick up the poor Sukhoi pilots that ran headlong into a mix of jamming and AMRAAMs once their carrier and its escorts are toast :D

[Mike D]

This isn't a unit request, but a request nonetheless:

Is it possible to gain 200 points for rescuing a pilot rather than just getting 200 points for killing them?

Just a thought.


Hmmmm.... I see where your going but no. There is no way for me to define that (that I can currently think of). The only thing for now is to have a goal to reward the player but that's no good on shoot-downs done in-game.

That gives me another idea though, how about negative points for a pilot kill. I'll look into that some time.

[Mike D]

I know this has probably already been mentioned, possibly by myself as well. However the Wave class, Rover class and Leaf class tankers still aren't around for the UK.


Nope, never requested. Good idea though.

[xav]

SAMP/T (land based Aster 30) currently going into operational phase in French and Italian armies.

[Sea Dragon]

Horizon class frigates need to be placed? They are in service but not located for France?

Oh the Rate of Fire for the 114mm guns is incorrect. It seems to be firing between 15-20 rounds per minute, checked database and it said 20..

The Vickers 4.5 55 mk8 that is featured on the Type 45 for instance can fire 25 rounds per minute

[Fleet Command CC]

Hey Sea Dragon

Yep are your right, but there might be a reason why Mike put the RPM at 20.:)

[Sea Dragon]

Well it does detract from one of the advantages and one of the reasons the Royal Navy uses the 114mm as oppossed to a higher calibre. It is a fast firing gun capable of putting out a very efficient rate of fire.

This is afterall meant to simulate real life and while some players i am sure never use guns however in senarios based around the Med, Persian Gulf, etc they are rather useful to have...

Also i'm not sure the range on the 114mm for the surface engagement. It should be 15nm... Given the Type 23's sonar (red line on sensor circles) is 10.25nm and the 114mm is less than that am i right in thinking the 144mm 58 mk8 has a smaller range than it should?


Sorry, i seem to be coming up with lists of questions for you all.

[Fleet Command CC]

Also i'm not sure the range on the 114mm for the surface engagement. It should be 15nm... Given the Type 23's sonar (red line on sensor circles) is 10.25nm and the 114mm is less than that am i right in thinking the 144mm 58 mk8 has a smaller range than it should?

I would post this on the (NWP 19.01 Bugs thread) for Mike to check, because he probably won't notice this post.

[Fleet Command CC]

Sorry, i seem to be coming up with lists of questions for you all.

Hey Sea Dragon

Thats what this forum is for, to help anyone with idea's, problems, questions, or bugs on Fleet Command, l so keep them coming. :)

[Sea Dragon]

Juan Carlos I class LPH for spain, i gather it is to be a significantly powerful ship able to carry JSF and opperate due to its ski ramp, along with tank deployment ability. Undergoing trials and is due to be commissioned soon.

The 5th Alvaro de Bazan class is ordered, 6th looks like a definate go ahead.

Also the 2 planned Canberra class for the RAN that could also opperate a mixed Helicopter, Airgroup of 36.

[steel_selachian]

The Juan Carlos I looks like it'll be classified as an LHD, since it includes a well deck for landing craft. The Canberras are the same design, although so far it looks like the Aussies won't be installing the required radar systems for fixed-wing operations, nor will they be buying F-35Bs.

Right now I've got those added by reusing the Mistral-class, although the armament and sensors are wrong there. The Canberras are only going to have four 25mm Rafael Typhoon mounts on them.

[Sea Dragon]

The Juan Carlos I looks like it'll be classified as an LHD, since it includes a well deck for landing craft. The Canberras are the same design, although so far it looks like the Aussies won't be installing the required radar systems for fixed-wing operations, nor will they be buying F-35Bs.

Right now I've got those added by reusing the Mistral-class, although the armament and sensors are wrong there. The Canberras are only going to have four 25mm Rafael Typhoon mounts on them.

Re-using the Mistral class would work well enough for the Aussies Canberra class however despite the Jaun Carlos I being classed as an LHD i was under the impression the Italians are still looking to purchase and use a few F-35's to enhance the ability of their CAP provided by their Light Carrier?

[JMS]

Juan Carlos I class LPH for spain, i gather it is to be a significantly powerful ship able to carry JSF and opperate due to its ski ramp, along with tank deployment ability. Undergoing trials and is due to be commissioned soon.

The 5th Alvaro de Bazan class is ordered, 6th looks like a definate go ahead.

Also the 2 planned Canberra class for the RAN that could also opperate a mixed Helicopter, Airgroup of 36.

Juan Carlos I has been designed to work both as a landing ship and as a baby carrier to cover periods when Principe de Asturias is undergoing overhaul. The 6th F-100 is still in the air and much will depend on the current crisis as public deficit is soaring and there's no lack of work at Navantia so far.

[steel_selachian]

Yeah, Spain is basically looking to build a ship comparable to Italy's Cavour or the US Wasp-class - a multipurpose ship that can provide expeditionary amphib capability and air cover.

[steel_selachian]

Quick looks at the Kolkata-class DDG and Shivalik-class FFG for India:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Kolkata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Kolkata)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivalik_class_frigate

[xav]

France just ordered a 3rd Mistral class and planned for a 4th unit.
I'll post names as soon as they are public.

[steel_selachian]

Any chance the Meteor AAM is going to be added? Seems the RAF and Luftwaffe will be using it as their primary BVR AAM around 2013 or so.

[Jittery]

Steel,

You got any details such as article's on it & spec sheets?? Might save Mike having to get them and make it easier for him to add it if he doesn't have to go hunting for all the data;)

[steel_selachian]

Here's Wikipedia's piece on it, with refs cited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Meteor

Not entirely sure if the thing's all it's cracked up to be, as from what I've read there it doesn't seem to have a huge edge over the latest AMRAAMs range-wise, and at one point Raytheon's offer to field a ramjet-powered AMRAAM by 2007 was turned down.

[xav]

France's Marine Nationale and Armée de l'Air are part of the Meteor program too...

As a mather of fact they are testing and developing the missile for MBDA (alongside Sweeden's Gripen and UK's Typhoons. Not sure if Luftwafe is doing testing)

Rafale M doing carrier/landing qualifications for the Meteor missile.

http://www.defesabr.com/MB/Missil_Meteor_RafaleM.jpg

http://frenchnavy.free.fr/ships/aircraft-carrier/charles-de-gaulle/images/cdg-0101.jpg


Official data and info from Meteor's manufacturer (MBDA)
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=123&page_id=105

[steel_selachian]

Yeah, Meteor seems to be another pan-European defense project. They're up to their necks in the things, aren't they?

I'm still trying to figure out if the thing has any real edge over the AMRAAM - I think the primary edge of the Meteor is the ramjet giving it better sustained thrust. I think according to reports the AIM-120D has a better range than what MBDA is reporting for Meteor.

[Pheonix]

France's Marine Nationale and Armée de l'Air are part of the Meteor program too...

As a mather of fact they are testing and developing the missile for MBDA (alongside Sweeden's Gripen and UK's Typhoons. Not sure if Luftwafe is doing testing)

Rafale M doing carrier/landing qualifications for the Meteor missile.

http://www.defesabr.com/MB/Missil_Meteor_RafaleM.jpg

http://frenchnavy.free.fr/ships/aircraft-carrier/charles-de-gaulle/images/cdg-0101.jpg


Official data and info from Meteor's manufacturer (MBDA)
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/ref/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=123&page_id=105




XAV, i've been following the latest in the Meteor program and can confirm that the Meteor will be incorporated on the Typhoon, Rafale, and Gripen with a possibility of it being incorporated on the F-35. i know that the Luftwaffe are definitely part of the program and plan on adopting it as their next BVR missile.

Yeah, Meteor seems to be another pan-European defense project. They're up to their necks in the things, aren't they?

I'm still trying to figure out if the thing has any real edge over the AMRAAM - I think the primary edge of the Meteor is the ramjet giving it better sustained thrust. I think according to reports the AIM-120D has a better range than what MBDA is reporting for Meteor.
from what i initially read, it is supposed to have more advanced sensors and electronics that make it better than the AMRAAM. and with the Ramjet it was supposed to be faster, making it an all out better weapon than the AIM-120. but with the AIM-120D, i think that the only advantage the Meteor currently has over the AMRAAM is speed. that combined with the fact that they are having a bit of trouble with the program (prior to the current economic situation), i have a sneaking suspicion that they may end up canceling the program along with the A400M.

[steel_selachian]

Seems like a lot of European defense programs have been experiencing major problems. I know a number of armchair experts have blamed the funding shortfalls in the UK military on the Eurofighter program's overruns (whether that's accurate or not might be another story) and some of us have aired gripes about the incomplete weapons fit on the T45 Darings. Raytheon offered to cook up a ramjet-powered AMRAAM tentatively designated ERAAM+ several years back; wonder if that'll be an option if Meteor goes belly-up.

Funny how it seems like those older legacy missiles seem to keep up - update the seekers and microchips, improve the motors and warheads, and even a relative dinosaur like the Standard SAM can still be among the world's best over 40 years after introduction.

[Sea Dragon]

Seems like a lot of European defense programs have been experiencing major problems. I know a number of armchair experts have blamed the funding shortfalls in the UK military on the Eurofighter program's overruns (whether that's accurate or not might be another story) and some of us have aired gripes about the incomplete weapons fit on the T45 Darings. Raytheon offered to cook up a ramjet-powered AMRAAM tentatively designated ERAAM+ several years back; wonder if that'll be an option if Meteor goes belly-up.

Funny how it seems like those older legacy missiles seem to keep up - update the seekers and microchips, improve the motors and warheads, and even a relative dinosaur like the Standard SAM can still be among the world's best over 40 years after introduction.


Adversity breeds inovation. Some of the older lecacy missiles were being developed after WW2 when the Cold War era was in play. Many believed WW3 was a distinct possibility and quite a few believed Mutually Assured Destruction would be the result. IN these circumstances people don't hold back on the armed forces. They recieve a great amount of funding (short of all out war) and also a great amount of research and development.

The economic crisis has had nothing to do with the eurofighter from what i have read about it. More the fact that the RAF wanted different capabilites to a lot of eurpoean countries (more than less i believe is the general picture) as well as delays. However i think its likely that this subject will turn sour exceptionally quick so perhaps we shouldn't continue it?

But yeah, have to say although i think Slyver and Aster is potent and can be made a brilliant missile system. One has to wonder WHY (well i think i know but once again it gets political as oft is the case with warfare) the UK let itself be pushed into the situation were the Type 45 depended on Slyver instead of a MK 41 launched. Just because of missile amounts and flexibility in its self.

8X4 = 24 quad packed short range
24 x 1 = 24 SM2 missiles, with a very real chance at being able to purchase the most up to date ones due to our "special" relationship with the americans....


But there you go. Bit off topic.

[xav]

Indian Mirages set to receive Mica AAM upgrade
MBDA Missile Systems is to upgrade the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Dassault Mirage 2000H/TH multirole combat/trainer aircraft to carry the Mica air-to-air missile (AAM). The IAF's Mirage 2000H/TH is currently equipped with the Matra BAE R550 Magic 2 short-range AAM and Super 530D semi-active radar-guided short-to-medium-range AAM

[first posted to http://idr.janes.com (http://idr.janes.com/) - 23 February 2009]

[steel_selachian]

At some point could we get Myanmar added to the database? I've been trying to research their air force and navy lately for a scenario I'm developing - I'm basing it off the Cyclone Nargis disaster, with a UN force launching an attack on Myanmar's air defenses to clear the way for a humanitarian intervention.

[steel_selachian]

I was looking at the specs for the Su-30MKI - should we perhaps think about making that a separate variant from the generic Su-30? There are some differences in the electronics fit (for instance, they carry the LITENING targeting pod and have Israeli-made ESM and ECM systems) as well as having canards. Maybe use the Su-33 model for them?

[Pheonix]

Derby AAM for Indian Sea Harriers
the PAAMS system on the British Type 45 Daring class destroyer has been renamed Sea Viper
suspected that Israeli Super Dvora gunboats are equipped with Spike ER missiles

[Mike D]

Any chance the Meteor AAM is going to be added? Seems the RAF and Luftwaffe will be using it as their primary BVR AAM around 2013 or so.

Looking into it but there is still alot of sensor and performance questions. Seems the range isn't going to be as far as originally planned, not sure of the turn capabilities and the specs on the seeker are still hard to nail down. If anyone has reliable specs let me know.

[Mike D]

Derby AAM for Indian Sea Harriers
Done


the PAAMS system on the British Type 45 Daring class destroyer has been renamed Sea Viper Won't make a difference as we don't name launchers/systems, just units/weapons.


suspected that Israeli Super Dvora gunboats are equipped with Spike ER missiles
Don't have Dvoras in NWP as of now, maybe in the future but we need a graphic for a generic small patrol boat.

[Mike D]

Indian Mirages set to receive Mica AAM upgrade
MBDA Missile Systems is to upgrade the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Dassault Mirage 2000H/TH multirole combat/trainer aircraft to carry the Mica air-to-air missile (AAM). The IAF's Mirage 2000H/TH is currently equipped with the Matra BAE R550 Magic 2 short-range AAM and Super 530D semi-active radar-guided short-to-medium-range AAM

[first posted to http://idr.janes.com (http://idr.janes.com/) - 23 February 2009]


The Mirage 2000-5 AAW is already set up that way. Created a new 2000-5 STK*/SEAD*/SUW* with 2xMica IRH. Also renamed the Indian 2000-5s to 2000H.

[Mike D]

SAMP/T (land based Aster 30) currently going into operational phase in French and Italian armies.

Done. SAMP/T SAM - Aster 30 SAM system, 4xlaunchers and 8xAster 30 per launcher for 32 missiles. 2 reloads.

[Jittery]

Juan Carlos I - Spain
Canberra Class - Australia

I'm going to try (key word) to make a skin for this class, its already in service with Spain and ordered/picked to enter Australian Service around 2015, although i am not 100 percent sure if it fits into NWP's policy for being payed and on the way as of yet for Australian service. It has gone out to tender but that's never a guarantee.

Side note: JDAM-ER, extended range JDAM with a wing kit. Australia has been developing/has developed a further bolt on basically. Any chance of having this added or as its still a prototype no?

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q1/070316c_nr.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/man-sm-jdam-000921.htm
http://www.contactairlandandsea.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1512
http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.cfm?id=14755&clr=release

[xav]

Looking into it but there is still alot of sensor and performance questions. Seems the range isn't going to be as far as originally planned, not sure of the turn capabilities and the specs on the seeker are still hard to nail down. If anyone has reliable specs let me know.

FYI the meteor's seeker is (or is a derivative) from the MICA missile.
I am not sure if this can help you regarding sensor...
Will try to dig up some sources on my free time.
Thank for SAMP

[steel_selachian]

Don't all the ARH AAMs have the same sensor listing in the database?

[Mike D]

Don't all the ARH AAMs have the same sensor listing in the database?

You are correct. There is currently one generic ARH and SARH sensor for all missiles. Creating generational or differentiated sensors is one of those things that has been on my list forever. Its going to take a ton of research on every different AAM and every seeker and define 3-6 diffrent sensors to use for the missiles. Not real fun.

[steel_selachian]

You are correct. There is currently one generic ARH and SARH sensor for all missiles. Creating generational or differentiated sensors is one of those things that has been on my list forever. Its going to take a ton of research on every different AAM and every seeker and define 3-6 diffrent sensors to use for the missiles. Not real fun.

I can completely understand. In any case, most of the ARH missiles are newer-generation weapons like AMRAAM, Adder, and MICA, so they're probably roughly on the same level in any case. Phoenix is an exception, but from what little I know I think the seeker itself was pretty comparable to AMRAAM, it's just that the missile itself was a 1000-pound beast.

[Pheonix]

Python IV and Derby AAM's for Brazilian F-5EM
AM39 Exocet and LGB's for Brazilian A-4's

[DHX]

Looks like the USAF is getting the MALD (miniature air launched decoy). Be nice to see it implemented in the game. I can see all sorts of possibilities for that particular unit from SEAD to air to air.