Youtube video of Tsushima,

[Warship NWS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNj4Icwf9eI
Guns have no recoil whatsoever.. but still fun to watch. ;)

[Warship NWS]

Note, I have the above movie on order.. should have them in our store in about a week or so.. stay tuned. ;)

[old_pop2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNj4Icwf9eI
Guns have no recoil whatsoever.. but still fun to watch. ;)

Hmm! Interestingl clip. Do I detect the rise in Japanese nationalism or did they run out of ideas with Rodan and Godzilla. :p

[Ed Rotondaro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNj4Icwf9eI
Guns have no recoil whatsoever.. but still fun to watch. ;)

Chris:

When was that made? It has the feel on some of the cheesier Japanese movies from the 1950s. Still some parts of it were good.

[Ed Rotondaro]

Hmm! Interestingl clip. Do I detect the rise in Japanese nationalism or did they run out of ideas with Rodan and Godzilla. :p

Dennis:

Yeah it's got that Japanese monster movie look to it.

[old_pop2000]

Dennis:

Yeah it's got that Japanese monster movie look to it.

As long as Perry Mason doesn't show up on the deck, I'am happy.:D

[Warship NWS]

Definitely toy models of the ships but still.. good enough to be interesting to watch. Typical Japanese dramatic acting. Published in 1970.

[Warship NWS]

Lead actor in the movie,

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800010855/bio

[old_pop2000]

Definitely toy models of the ships but still.. good enough to be interesting to watch. Typical Japanese dramatic acting .. anyone notice yet that the "Togo" character is played by the same guy who was Yamamoto in Tora Tora Tora?

Soh Yamamura played Yamamoto in Tora Tora Tora. He died in 2000. This movie was produced in 1969, IIRC. Togo is played by Toshiro Mifune. He played Yamamoto in Midway. He also played in Rashomon by Kurosawa, and Seven Samurai. The last movie was the prototype for The Magnificent Seven. Rashomon and Seven Samurai are great foreign films.

[Warship NWS]

That is why I changed my post..;) I knew I saw Mifune in another movie before. Between Tora Tora Tora and Midway Japanese actors get mixed up in my head a lot. :confused:

Damn I wish someone would redo Midway! Could have been a FAR better movie had a bit more funding been put into it. Could have equalled TTT had it been given the chance.

Just not another PH soap opera film! :mad:

Whatever happened to the good old days of BoB, ABTF, TTT, etc.. so sad we will likely never see movies like those again. Even CGI would be cool. NO.. all we get is kiddie movies and fantasy stuff.. hollywood and movie makers have pretty much said to hell with history lessons.. :(

[old_pop2000]

That is why I changed my post..;) I knew I saw Mifune in another movie before. Between Tora Tora Tora and Midway Japanese actors get mixed up in my head a lot. :confused:

Damn I wish someone would redo Midway! Could have been a FAR better movie had a bit more funding been put into it. Could have equalled TTT had it been given the chance.

Just not another PH soap opera film! :mad:

Whatever happened to the good old days of BoB, ABTF, TTT, etc.. so sad we will likely never see movies like those again. Even CGI would be cool. NO.. all we get is kiddie movies and fantasy stuff.. hollywood and movie makers have pretty much said to hell with history lessons.. :(

Saving Private Ryan was good. I like Burt Lancaster in 'The Train'. An interesting Japanese movie made in the 1950's, IIRC was 'I bombed Pearl Harbor'. It was cool.

I could list a great number of 1940's war movies that were good, especially 'Mrs. Miniver'.

[Warship NWS]

Saving Private Ryan was good. I like Burt Lancaster in 'The Train'. An interesting Japanese movie made in the 1950's, IIRC was 'I bombed Pearl Harbor'. It was cool.

I could list a great number of 1940's war movies that were good, especially 'Mrs. Miniver'.

Like I said.. nothing recent with the exception of SPR, which was the only recent movie that didn't toss out the history books or try and cater to the soap opera fans or cover up total BS with CGI theatrics.

At least the Military Channel is using CGI and re-enactments of battles that are sometimes fairly well done.

[john964]

That is why I changed my post..;) I knew I saw Mifune in another movie before. Between Tora Tora Tora and Midway Japanese actors get mixed up in my head a lot. :confused:

Damn I wish someone would redo Midway! Could have been a FAR better movie had a bit more funding been put into it. Could have equalled TTT had it been given the chance.

Just not another PH soap opera film! :mad:

Whatever happened to the good old days of BoB, ABTF, TTT, etc.. so sad we will likely never see movies like those again. Even CGI would be cool. NO.. all we get is kiddie movies and fantasy stuff.. hollywood and movie makers have pretty much said to hell with history lessons.. :(The problem with war movies is they have a limited appeal. The bottom line in movies is the bottom line. They have to appeal to the greatest number of movie goers in order to make a profit. To quote one studio executive "I don't care about accuracy historical or otherwise, I want butts in seats."

Now movies I would like to see redone
The Longest Day
Wake Island
Tora Tora Tora
Midway
Thirty Seconds over Tokyo
In Harms Way
Battle of Britan
The Dam Busters
12 O'clock High
Run Silent Run Deep

[old_pop2000]

The problem with war movies is they have a limited appeal. The bottom line in movies is the bottom line. They have to appeal to the greatest number of movie goers in order to make a profit. To quote one studio executive "I don't care about accuracy historical or otherwise, I want butts in seats."

Battle of Britan



My only problem with the Battle of Britain is the engines in the Me-109s. The actual engine, the DB601, was inverted so the exhaust stacks would be on the bottom. The stacks on the aircraft in the movie were on the top. Those had to be Hispano-suiza engines in the Spanish Air Force 109s, which were still flyable at the time of the movie.

I am not real picky about most of the movies. I think we should just leave the originals the way they are and quit trying to remake them. There is enough war on CNN for my tastes. I like to just get lost in the old movies, with the great actors.

[keschofield]

That is why I changed my post..;) I knew I saw Mifune in another movie before. Between Tora Tora Tora and Midway Japanese actors get mixed up in my head a lot. :confused:

Damn I wish someone would redo Midway! Could have been a FAR better movie had a bit more funding been put into it. Could have equalled TTT had it been given the chance.

Just not another PH soap opera film! :mad:

Whatever happened to the good old days of BoB, ABTF, TTT, etc.. so sad we will likely never see movies like those again. Even CGI would be cool. NO.. all we get is kiddie movies and fantasy stuff.. hollywood and movie makers have pretty much said to hell with history lessons.. :(

Eastwood's trilogy was done well. I rank them up there with the best. Most people just don't care enough about history to demand that level of accuracy. If you don't put something in to please the ladies, you alienate 51% of the population!

[JMS]

My only problem with the Battle of Britain is the engines in the Me-109s. The actual engine, the DB601, was inverted so the exhaust stacks would be on the bottom. The stacks on the aircraft in the movie were on the top. Those had to be Hispano-suiza engines in the Spanish Air Force 109s, which were still flyable at the time of the movie.

I am not real picky about most of the movies. I think we should just leave the originals the way they are and quit trying to remake them. There is enough war on CNN for my tastes. I like to just get lost in the old movies, with the great actors.

Yes, they were Buchones, not 109s, you can call it a derivative but that's a travesty since CASA mated a Merlin (not Hispano Suiza) engine to a 109 airframe. The Hispano Suiza antics happened in the 40s and nothing of worth came out of it. The "He-111" were also CASA-2111s with Merlin engines.

The wiki gets it wrong in saying that the HS engines were bought as a substitute for DB engines* but otherwise the article is OK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_Aviaci%C3%B3n_HA-1112

* - HS became independent from the French branch when this last was nationalised but close collaboration remained and they "sold" that the -12Z was better than the DB engine... :rolleyes:

[Mike Malanaphy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNj4Icwf9eI
Guns have no recoil whatsoever.. but still fun to watch. ;)

Hi Guys,

Maybe if TOHO studios made it made the gun shots and the recoil are poorly dubbed. : )

[old_pop2000]

Yes, they were Buchones, not 109s, you can call it a derivative but that's a travesty since CASA mated a Merlin (not Hispano Suiza) engine to a 109 airframe. The Hispano Suiza antics happened in the 40s and nothing of worth came out of it. The "He-111" were also CASA-2111s with Merlin engines.

The wiki gets it wrong in saying that the HS engines were bought as a substitute for DB engines* but otherwise the article is OK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_Aviaci%C3%B3n_HA-1112

* - HS became independent from the French branch when this last was nationalised but close collaboration remained and they "sold" that the -12Z was better than the DB engine... :rolleyes:

Those were Buchon's, as they were termed built in the Hispano factory in Seville, IIRC. They were equipped with Merline 500/45 engines. However, at the time, the Confederate Air Force claimed that they were the HA-1112-K1L version which used the 1300 HP Hispano-Suiza 12Z-17 V12 engine with three bladed Hamilton propeller. There was also the M1l version, that did use the 1600 HP Merlin 500/45.

Originally, the 109G was entering production with the Spanish using their version of the DB605 or HS 12-Z-89 engine installed upright. It also had the enlarged coolant radiator under the engine. Construcciones Aeronauticas S.A. or CASA had factories in Getafe, Seville and Cadiz. Wings were produced in the Getaffe plant and the fuselages were produced in Seville. CASA did build the He-111P spanish version and Junker 52/3M versions.

Now, which aircraft were flown in the movie? Well, you can't use the coolant radiator as a sign of a Merlin because they all had that scoop when built by HS. At the time of the movie, it was widely circulated by the CAS, that the aircraft flown were the HS engined version. However, since that time, most aviation experts believe they were the Merlin powered version. It probably doesn't really matter.

BTW Most of my information comes from an August 26th, 1948 article in Flight magazine titled Spanish Revival.

[JMS]

Now, which aircraft were flown in the movie? Well, you can't use the coolant radiator as a sign of a Merlin because they all had that scoop when built by HS. At the time of the movie, it was widely circulated by the CAS, that the aircraft flown were the HS engined version. However, since that time, most aviation experts believe they were the Merlin powered version. It probably doesn't really matter.

BTW Most of my information comes from an August 26th, 1948 article in Flight magazine titled Spanish Revival.

Of course not, it's just nitpicking, I didn't know the claim about the HS engines, interesting since they were a b***h to fly and maintain. Now I need to dig up more.

[old_pop2000]

Of course not, it's just nitpicking, I didn't know the claim about the HS engines, interesting since they were a b***h to fly and maintain. Now I need to dig up more.

I researched the issue. They put together eighteen of the Ha-112 M1Ls for the movie and the CAS kept the airplanes in the deal. Since they were M1Ls, they were Merlin engined. It is nice to get this resolved. However, there are 3 K1Ls still in existance. One is in a Madrid museum, but the other two are in Germany and have been rebuilt as G-2 version with DB605 engines.

[JMS]

I researched the issue. They put together eighteen of the Ha-112 M1Ls for the movie and the CAS kept the airplanes in the deal. Since they were M1Ls, they were Merlin engined. It is nice to get this resolved. However, there are 3 K1Ls still in existance. One is in a Madrid museum, but the other two are in Germany and have been rebuilt as G-2 version with DB605 engines.

I had a magazine article about one of the rebuilds, apparently made by Bolkow, the Messerschmidt follow one - painted in full wartime colors but without svastikas. The other one, IIRC, was rebuilt in Belgium. Britain has a flyable, real G-6 captured in the desert.

[Ed Rotondaro]

Saving Private Ryan was good. I like Burt Lancaster in 'The Train'. An interesting Japanese movie made in the 1950's, IIRC was 'I bombed Pearl Harbor'. It was cool.

I could list a great number of 1940's war movies that were good, especially 'Mrs. Miniver'.

Dennis:

I remember that one. The model ships were cool. IIRC, it ends with the battle of Midway and the IJN admiral going down with his ship.

[Ed Rotondaro]

Like I said.. nothing recent with the exception of SPR, which was the only recent movie that didn't toss out the history books or try and cater to the soap opera fans or cover up total BS with CGI theatrics.

At least the Military Channel is using CGI and re-enactments of battles that are sometimes fairly well done.

Chris:

Speaking of which they had an interesting program on prostitution in wartime Hawaii and how the "working girls" helped out as nurses. The lines to the brothels were over a block long LOL!

[Mart]

Sorry to be a bit late on this one, but just thought that I'd mention that I have had the Tsushima DVD for a long time.

I got it from a US company specialising in Japanese films. For those interested in buying the DVD I can tell you that the film culminates with Tsushima, and the thread running throughout is naval, but in the process it covers other areas of the land battle around Port Arthur. There is also a back story relating to an intelligence operation and a Japanese naval officer who has a great deal of affection for Russia. It's not at all nationalistic. Indeed, it's almost the opposite, and there is a sense that the main characters realise that they are playing out a tragedy. If you're willing to accept that it's a film of it's time, and the production values are not as they would be today, I think people will find it an enjoyable film.

I think that if people are looking for very specific ultra-realism relating to particular equipment, then they will probably miss the opportunity to enjoy it, simply for what it is. It's a film from another generation, in nearly every respect, but maybe the more enjoyable for it.

I hope that helps, and if it's in the NWS store, I'd recommend shelling out your money. It's a "light" film, and a relaxing watch.

Thanks

Martin :)

[john964]

Chris:

Speaking of which they had an interesting program on prostitution in wartime Hawaii and how the "working girls" helped out as nurses. The lines to the brothels were over a block long LOL!There was one story out of the Attack on Pearl Harbor that one of the 'working girls' went over to the Red Cross blood center to donate blood, but they wouldn't let her donate because they knew she was a prostatute so she decided to become a Red Cross volenteer on the spot. The woman in question racked up more than 10,000 hours of volenteer time by wars end. Also a little bit of trivia. The Red Cross donation center had so many people donating blood that the ran out of bottles to store the blood and someone had the idea of running over to the local Coca-Cola bottling plant to get more bottles for blood.