WCNAW Scenario Topic Suggestions and Discussions

[Warship NWS]

This thread is for players to discuss and suggest WCNAW scenario topics.

[Warship NWS]

<Moved from the scenairo submittion thread>

As a (hopefully) helpful guide I put together a list of possible historical scenarios. Most were done under the old WCBD but I've repeated them for ease of reference. I didn't include Jutland as it's too large for the game parameters (but hopefully in a future update :rolleyes: ).


Russo-Japanese War Historical Scenarios

Chasing The Novik 1904
Chemulpo 1904
Liau-TiShan 1904
Port Arthur 1904
Ulsan 1904
Yellow Sea 1904
Tsushima 1905


WWI Historical Scenarios

Cape Sarych 1914
Coronel 1914
Falklands 1914
1st Heligoland Bight 1914
Sydney Vs. Emden 1914
Thames 1914
Zanzibar 1914
Dogger Bank 1915
Gotland Island 1915
Gulf Of Riga 1915
Dover Straight 1917
2nd Heligoland Bight 1917
Operation Albion 1917
Otranto Straight 1917
Imbros 1918


WWII Historical Scenarios

Cromer 1939
Operation Peking 1939
River Plate 1939
Adriatic Destroyer Action 1940
Calabria 1940
Cape Passero 1940
Cape Spada 1940
Cape Spartivento 1940
Falmouth 1940
Mers El Kebir 1940
Narvik 1940
Scillies 1940
Bismark Vs. Rodney And King George V 1941
Denmark Straits 1941
Cape Bon 1941
Cape Matapan 1941
Hel Roadstead 1941
1st Sirte 1941
Badung Strait 1942
Cape Esperance 1942
Casablanca 1942
1st Guadacanal 1942
2nd Guadacanal 1942
Java Sea 1942
Operation Cerebus 1942
Pantelleria 1942
Savo Island 1942
2nd Sirte 1942
Sunda Strait 1942
Tassafaronga 1942
Bay Of Biscay 1943
Cape St. George 1943
Empress Augusta Bay 1943
Horaniu 1943
Hunting The Exeter 1943
Kolombagara 1943
Komandorski Island 1943
Kula Gulf 1943
North Cape 1943
Sicily 1943
Vella Gulf 1943
Vella Lavella 1943
Vila Stanmore 1943
Surigao Straits 1944
Ushant 1944
Norway 1945
Penang 1945


R. Scheer

[Warship NWS]

As a (hopefully) helpful guide I put together a list of possible historical scenarios. Most were done under the old WCBD but I've repeated them for ease of reference. I didn't include Jutland as it's too large for the game parameters (but hopefully in a future update :rolleyes: ).


You can include the skirmishes that happened during the battle of Jutland since WCNAW allows for 32 ships per fleet. Jutland was, for all intensive purposes, a series of skirmishes.. not one giant single battle. Most ships could not even see each other much less shoot at each other. ;)

I do have plans to expand WCNAW to allow 128+ ships per fleet however. v1.1+ will be a move in that direction with the ability to handle 8+ divisions of 8 ships each for a total of 64 ships per fleet, from there it will move up to 16+ divisions - total of 128+ ships per fleet. Land will also be added very soon so islands and coastlines will be shown on the TacMap.

Thanks.

[keschofield]

You can include the skirmishes that happened during the battle of Jutland since WCNAW allows for 32 ships per fleet. Jutland was, for all intensive purposes, a series of skirmishes.. not one giant single battle. Most ships could not even see each other much less shoot at each other. ;)

I do have plans to expand WCNAW to allow 128+ ships per fleet however. v1.1+ will be a move in that direction with the ability to handle 8+ divisions of 8 ships each for a total of 64 ships per fleet, from there it will move up to 16+ divisions - total of 128+ ships per fleet. Land will also be added very soon so islands and coastlines will be shown on the TacMap.

Thanks.

But don't forget the Dutch and the other minor navies! :D

[Warship NWS]

But don't forget the Dutch and the other minor navies! :D

US WW1 ships first.. and then your sacred Dutch..;)

[keschofield]

US WW1 ships first.. and then your sacred Dutch..;)

Thank you sir. I agree with that choice. Eventually I suggest that every nation that had CL's and bigger be added for both WW1 & 2 periods. :p

[keschofield]

Thank you sir. I agree with that choice. Eventually I suggest that every nation that had CL's and bigger be added for both WW1 & 2 periods. :p

After all, we've got to be able to fight the naval battle of the famous Thai-Vichy war of 1941 (or was it '40?). :D

[Akmatov]

Battle of Koh Chang took place on January 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_17), 1941 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941) during the French-Thai War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-Thai_War)

Not one of your more frequently mentioned battles. Perhaps the main lesson to be learned is that it is advantageous to attack a superior force while the enemy is anchored and still raising steam. :)

[keschofield]

Battle of Koh Chang took place on January 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_17), 1941 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941) during the French-Thai War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-Thai_War)

Not one of your more frequently mentioned battles. Perhaps the main lesson to be learned is that it is advantageous to attack a superior force while the enemy is anchored and still raising steam. :)

Always best to fight your enemy when his hands are busy trying to pull up his pants!:D

[Warship NWS]

Hi everyone, when posting a scenario please include the following information;

Note: Please add into your breifing which fleet is commanded by each fleet number. Example: Fleet 1 = [some or all of the following: ships/divisions/nationality].

Thanks.

[Warship NWS]

Scenario designers, please update your scenarios and repost them to the new v1.02 standards, see here for details,

http://forums.navalwarfare.org/showpost.php?p=33434&postcount=3

Thanks.

[asnrobert]

A couple years ago I made up info sheets for the NWS Beta Team who wished to use the ships in FSP and WCDB to proxy the ships of the other navies in WW2. I've updated the files for WCNAW to post on the forum here. Unfortunately, the forum won't let me post .pdf or .doc files, so I had to transfer the info to Notepad files. If anyone wants a .pdf version let me know.
The Canadian and Aussie navies are probably the easiest to proxy as almost all of their ships are already available in the British database.
The other navies (Allied, Axis, and Neutral) were a bit tougher. In the listing for each class, I list as a proxy a ship class available in WCNAW that I feel is closest to the class in question. Some are very similar to those in the game, some are not (and unlike Fighting Steel, you can't use the damage settings to reduce the number of guns or TTs or speed). Some ships (like the Greek armored cruiser Georgios Averoff) I didn't even list a proxy for as there is nothing really like them in the game. Indeed, a number of ships used by the minor navies were WW1 or older vintage (some dating back to the Russo-Japanese War era)- if the WW1 and WW2 databases are ever merged, it will be handy for those who want to create battles using those old ships.
As I post this I realize I don't have a listing for the Soviet Navy- probably because at the time I first created these files the Soviet navy (part of it anyway) was available in FSP. In the next week or so I will try to create a similar file with the Soviet OOB (which also had a number of WW1-antiques in service during the war).

[asnrobert]

Robert,

Your scenarios are excellent. Thank you for your efforts.

Kurt (('m replying here since I didn't want to clutter up the scenario thread), you are most welcome. I'll have more coming (WW1 and WW2) in the coming days.

[admiralscheer1916]

As a quick tip, I organize my scenarios using a four character code preceding the title in the file name. The first character designates whether the scenario is historical or a "what if?" using "H" or "W". The second character designates the body of water it was fought on using "A" for Atlantic, "P" for Pacific, and so on. The last two characters give the year of the encounter, 1940 being "40", 1914 being "14".

Example:

HA41 DENMARK STRAITS

"H" for historical, "A" for Atlantic, "41" for 1941.

R. Scheer

[Warship NWS]

Need scenario ideas?

A good link for a collection of historical naval battles,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_naval_battles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_naval_battles)

Thanks.

[asnrobert]

Attached is a file with most of the warships destroyer-size and larger that were active in the Soviet Navy- I've included the never-completed Sovietski Soyuz class BBs and Kronshtadt class BCs for what-if scenarios.
In compiling this list, I noted that many of the ships in the Soviet fleet were Tsarist-era relics: the destroyers in particular were pretty much unchanged from how they appear in the WW1 database of WCNAW (I didn't include the Aurora as she was pretty much inactive, her guns removed to be used in the defense of Leningrad).
Of course the Soviet Navy didn't see much surface action during the war; most of their ships were used to support the troops on shore. Air attack was the number one cause of ship losses (with mines a close second).

[Warship NWS]

Posted by Senkan, moved to this thread,



It is possible to have one scenario folder for WWI scenarios and one for WW2? I find myself saving these in the wrong folders. I know...Im unorganized and lazy http://forums.navalwarfare.org//images/smilies/biggrin.gif


Not at the moment.. however, I can ask Robert to put in bold letters WW1 or WW2.. would that help?

[Senkan]

Posted by Senkan, moved to this thread,



Not at the moment.. however, I can ask Robert to put in bold letters WW1 or WW2.. would that help?

Yes Sir.....

[Warship NWS]

Moved here from the submitted scenario thread,

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Robert,

Thank you again for being so prolific in posting scenarios. It is especially nice of you to try and give credit to designers of the original WC scenarios. Its a small point, but we worked hard on those and its nice to be remembered.

Kurt
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Kurt Schofield
NWS Team

[asnrobert]

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Robert,

Thank you again for being so prolific in posting scenarios. It is especially nice of you to try and give credit to designers of the original WC scenarios. Its a small point, but we worked hard on those and its nice to be remembered.

Kurt

You're welcome. I like to try to give credit to the original scenario designers whenever possible. What makes it tough is when the old NWS forum crashed, it made it almost impossible to determine who had ceated what.

[keschofield]

You're welcome. I like to try to give credit to the original scenario designers whenever possible. What makes it tough is when the old NWS forum crashed, it made it almost impossible to determine who had ceated what.

Yeah, I remember. If you need any help with researching scenarios, don't hesitate to ask. I have my Conway's volumes and a few other references handy these days.

Take care.

[bilbo8888]

Hi

Im working on a "MOON SOUND -1917" scenarion, Germany-Imperial Russia clash in baltic during Operation ALBION.

I have an OB i think correct :

Moon Sound octobre 1917


Imperial Russia 25 pts


OB Tsarevitch ( Tsarevitch Class ) – 5pts
OB Slava ( Borodino 11 Class ) – 5 pts

AC Admiral Makarov ( Bayan Class ) – 3 pts
DD Desna, Novik, Pobeditel, Zabijaka, Grom, Constantin ( Novik/Orfey Class ) – 12 pts

Germany 30 pts


BB Koenig ( Koenig Class ) – 12 pts
BB Kronprinz ( Koenig Class ) –12 pts

CL Kolberg ( Kolberg 1916 Class ) – 3pts
CL Strassburg ( Magdeburg Class ) – 3 pts

but i cant find datas on weather and time of the day.

Anyone ?

thanks

[Warship NWS]

To b8,

See if this link helps,

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/albion1.htm

[old_pop2000]

Hi

Im working on a "MOON SOUND -1917" scenarion, Germany-Imperial Russia clash in baltic during Operation ALBION.

I have an OB i think correct :

Moon Sound octobre 1917


Imperial Russia 25 pts


OB Tsarevitch ( Tsarevitch Class ) – 5pts
OB Slava ( Borodino 11 Class ) – 5 pts

AC Admiral Makarov ( Bayan Class ) – 3 pts
DD Desna, Novik, Pobeditel, Zabijaka, Grom, Constantin ( Novik/Orfey Class ) – 12 pts

Germany 30 pts


BB Koenig ( Koenig Class ) – 12 pts
BB Kronprinz ( Koenig Class ) –12 pts

CL Kolberg ( Kolberg 1916 Class ) – 3pts
CL Strassburg ( Magdeburg Class ) – 3 pts

but i cant find datas on weather and time of the day.

Anyone ?

thanks

According to Daily War Diary, there were no minesweeping operations on the 21-22 September due to winds. 25 September was the same. 26th of September winds were 6-7 on the Beaufort scale, again no mineclearing operations. 28-29 September same issue, all operations cancelled. 1 October was same with strong winds and rain, same for the 2nd of October through 6th October. Weather improved around the 7th October with the report stating estimates for a few days of good weather. Weather deteriorated on the 11th and 12th of October. Conditions appear to have been overcast much of the time with fog.

That's the best I can do.

[asnrobert]

Hi

Im working on a "MOON SOUND -1917" scenarion, Germany-Imperial Russia clash in baltic during Operation ALBION.

I have an OB i think correct :

Moon Sound octobre 1917


Imperial Russia 25 pts


OB Tsarevitch ( Tsarevitch Class ) – 5pts
OB Slava ( Borodino 11 Class ) – 5 pts

AC Admiral Makarov ( Bayan Class ) – 3 pts
DD Desna, Novik, Pobeditel, Zabijaka, Grom, Constantin ( Novik/Orfey Class ) – 12 pts

Germany 30 pts


BB Koenig ( Koenig Class ) – 12 pts
BB Kronprinz ( Koenig Class ) –12 pts

CL Kolberg ( Kolberg 1916 Class ) – 3pts
CL Strassburg ( Magdeburg Class ) – 3 pts

but i cant find datas on weather and time of the day.

Anyone ?

thanks

BTW, I already have an Operation Albion scenario posted:
http://forums.navalwarfare.org/showthread.php?t=1634 (scroll down to post #9)
Feel free to download it and modify it.
Also, the Order of Battle for Operation Albion can be found at the link below:
http://www.navweaps.com/index_oob/OOB_WWI/OOB_WWI_Operation_Albion.htm

[bilbo8888]

BTW, I already have an Operation Albion scenario posted:
http://forums.navalwarfare.org/showthread.php?t=1634 (scroll down to post #9)
Feel free to download it and modify it.
Also, the Order of Battle for Operation Albion can be found at the link below:
http://www.navweaps.com/index_oob/OOB_WWI/OOB_WWI_Operation_Albion.htm

thanks a lot, your scenario is perfect

[asnrobert]

thanks a lot, your scenario is perfect

Thanks! :cool:

[thevanderploegs]

...Old Sheepdogs: Originally created for WCWW2 by fellow NWS beta tester Kurt Schofield. A young wolf (Bismarck) is confronted by three old sheepdogs (New York, Texas, and Arkansas).

Played this one last night. Couldn't resist seeing how the old battlewagons would stand up to a single Hun...

Bismark started dropping ordnance on New York while still well out of the Americans' gun range. An early hit took out one MB turret and reduced NY's speed.

I was able to close to gun range for the US and started to drop a lot of 12" and 14" shells around Bismark, but at extreme range the US ships weren't all that accurate. When the range was finally under 18k yds, I obtained a few hits, but by then I wasn't in a position to argue with the Germans anymore.

Although neither side lost ships due to sinking, New York was down to 2 operating MB turrets and a pair of secondaries, Texas was on fire and flooding. Arkansas had to cover for those two while they disengaged and was pretty battered herself in the act. Bismark came away with some damage and flooding, but kept her MB intact and remained faster than my damaged ships. She eventually ran north out of range. Scenario ended in a draw.

Kind of what I expected, though Bismark may have been better off to keep out of the USN's range and just lob shells over. I'll have to try North Carolina against Bismark and see how that turns out...

Regards,
Gary

[asnrobert]

Played this one last night. Couldn't resist seeing how the old battlewagons would stand up to a single Hun...

Bismark started dropping ordnance on New York while still well out of the Americans' gun range. An early hit took out one MB turret and reduced NY's speed.

I was able to close to gun range for the US and started to drop a lot of 12" and 14" shells around Bismark, but at extreme range the US ships weren't all that accurate. When the range was finally under 18k yds, I obtained a few hits, but by then I wasn't in a position to argue with the Germans anymore.

Although neither side lost ships due to sinking, New York was down to 2 operating MB turrets and a pair of secondaries, Texas was on fire and flooding. Arkansas had to cover for those two while they disengaged and was pretty battered herself in the act. Bismark came away with some damage and flooding, but kept her MB intact and remained faster than my damaged ships. She eventually ran north out of range. Scenario ended in a draw.

Kind of what I expected, though Bismark may have been better off to keep out of the USN's range and just lob shells over. I'll have to try North Carolina against Bismark and see how that turns out...

Regards,
Gary
Try the "North Carolina Intervenes" scenario, which pits the "Showboat against the Bismarck. Also, check out "Short of War 3," which pits a New Mexico class BB and a trio of flush-decker DDs against the Tirpitz.

[gabeeg]

Robert,

When I try to load the "Short of War 3" scenario and it immediately ends with "Battle ended early" (or similar note). Any quick ideas as to what could cause this...what might look for in the txt? I did a quick scan of the scenario .txt but did not see anything obvious to me at least.

(I am running WC-NAW 1.06)

[asnrobert]

Robert,

When I try to load the "Short of War 3" scenario and it immediately ends with "Battle ended early" (or similar note). Any quick ideas as to what could cause this...what might look for in the txt? I did a quick scan of the scenario .txt but did not see anything obvious to me at least.

(I am running WC-NAW 1.06)

Harry,

I just played the scenario, and it worked fine. I even downloaded the scenario I uploaded (to see if the file to see if it was corrupted), and it worked fine too. Are you sure you didn't hit the backspace key by mistake?

[gabeeg]

Started up and picked:

World War: WW2
Quick Battle Generator: No
Resume Save Battle: No
Ship or Class Names: Ship Name
Auto Deployment: Yes
Load Scenario: Yes
Click on "Short of War 3" from the scenario selection list...It opens up the UI and it states:

Battle Ended Early
Computer Score: 0 Your Score: 0
Restart exit F4: ship display


The tactical map, 3d screen, information screen, etc. are all empty....

I even redownloaded the scenario...

I have tried a random handful of other scenarios and no problems. Odd...

[Warship NWS]

Tested Short of War 3 here as well.. no problem.

[gabeeg]

This issue is really, really odd. I really do not care as I have a trunk full of scenarios to play. I am a software QA engineer by profession...this is the sort of thing that drives me nuts at work! :) I am going to mess around on my end, if I figure out anything I will let you know.

There is always a logical explaination to these seemingly illogical quirks.

[Warship NWS]

Seen worse gabeeg. When I was a computer service manager I built 2 PCs that were totally identical - every component, driver, serial number, and OS. One of them would accept a DVD decoder application - the other would not. Never did figure out why. That was the wierdest "quirk" I ever came across in 30 years around PCs. ;)

[thevanderploegs]

Try the "North Carolina Intervenes" scenario, which pits the "Showboat against the Bismarck. Also, check out "Short of War 3," which pits a New Mexico class BB and a trio of flush-decker DDs against the Tirpitz.

Played this scenario. First 4 turns involved just closing the range. Both ships started firing at the same time (I played USS North Carolina). By the fourth turn of combat, Bismark had hit me twice with the MB destroying 2 SB turrets. However, NC's 5"/38 secondarys were consistently hitting Bismark, wrecking the superstructure. On the first MB hit for NC on the 6th turn of combat, she took out 1-MB, 2-SB and 2-TB turrets and slowed the German a bit. But then on the next turn, NC hit Bismark squarely with her MB causing a magazine explosion.

That's the first magazine explosion I've had in any iteration of this game for about 2.5 years.

Next up: Short of War....

Regards,
Gary

[Warship NWS]

Moved from the submitted scenario thread,

gabeeg (http://forums.navalwarfare.net/member.php?51824-gabeeg)


It looked like the 6" were going to take the worst of it as the 6" AP shells did not always penetrate as well as the 8" shells of the Japanese...and of course the 6" packed a smaller punch. But thanks to American damage control and luck, the American 6" cruisers pulled it out and chased off three Japanese cruisers and left one dead in the watter. Americans 48 points, Japanese 24 points...American Minor Victory. Interesting Scenario Robert, I have a feeling if I played this scenario 4 more times that Japanese might win 3 out of 5...just a feeling...maybe not.

Kind Regards,

Harry Miktarian

[asnrobert]

Moved from the submitted scenario thread,

gabeeg (http://forums.navalwarfare.net/member.php?51824-gabeeg)


It looked like the 6" were going to take the worst of it as the 6" AP shells did not always penetrate as well as the 8" shells of the Japanese...and of course the 6" packed a smaller punch. But thanks to American damage control and luck, the American 6" cruisers pulled it out and chased off three Japanese cruisers and left one dead in the watter. Americans 48 points, Japanese 24 points...American Minor Victory. Interesting Scenario Robert, I have a feeling if I played this scenario 4 more times that Japanese might win 3 out of 5...just a feeling...maybe not.

Kind Regards,

Harry Miktarian




Thanks Harry, I'm glad you liked it.