Error in the Garibaldis

[JMS]

Hello,

The italian Garibaldi is shown with a secondary armament of 6 inchers when it should be 8 inch.

The class is very confusing but unless my references are wrong they come down as:

Argentina:
General Garibaldi - MB: 2x10in. SB:10x6in. TB: 6x4.7 in. (ex Garibaldi nº1)
General San Martin - MB: 4x8in. SB:10x6in. TB: 6x4.7 in. (ex Varese nº 1)
General Belgrano - MB: 2x10in. SB:14x6in. TB: 2x3 in.(ex Varese nº 2)
General Purreydon - MB: 2x10in SB:14x6in. TB: 2x3 in.(ex Garibaldi nº 3)

Italy
Varese - MB: 1x 10in. SB:2x 8in. TB: 14x 6in. not included 10 x3in and 6x 47mm
Giuseppe Garibaldi - MB: 1x 10in. SB:2x 8in. TB: 14x 6in. not included 10 x3in and 6x 47mm
Francesco Ferruccio - MB: 1x 10in. SB:2x 8in. TB: 14x 6in. not included 10 x3in and 6x 47mm
Spain
Cristobal Colon: MB: 2x 10in.; SB: 10x 6in; TB: 6x 120mm (ex Garibaldi nº 2)

Japan
Kasuga: MB: 1x 10in; SB: 2x 8in; TB: 14x 6in. not included 10 x3in and 6x 3pdr
Nisshin: MB: 4x 8in; SB: 14x 6in.TB: 10 x3in not included 6x 3pdr

[Warship NWS]

Hello,

The italian Garibaldi is shown with a secondary armament of 6 inchers when it should be 8 inch.


The Garibaldis were a split armament class.. 3 had 10" main guns and 1 had 8" main guns but they all had 10-14 6" secondary guns and assorted tertiary guns of 3"-4.7" calibres.

Thanks.

[asnrobert]

BTW, the Cristobol Colon never had her 10" guns installed and was sent into battle in the SAW without them.

[Warship NWS]

Regarding your comments about the gun batteries.. we went with the primary, secondary, and tertiary batteries for all warship classes - basically, the guns that were intended for destroyer or larger warship engagements and that had some level of directed or form of standardized gunnery doctrines. Anything below the level of tertiaries were primarily intended for anti-torpedo boat combat using rapid non-directed fire of which we are planning on adding a CCF (close combat factor) armament to cover those guns when torpedo boat flotillas are added in a future update. Also, many of the lighter guns on major warships often could not fire when main guns were engaged in combat due to lack of protection from larger calibre gun blast effects, fragments from damage, and near miss splinters so in major engagements it was quite often they many of these guns could not be manned or operated effectively in combat much less fired accurately at rapidly moving targets with their very limited range, hitting power, and accuracy. Obviously this does not cover 100% of the wide range of guns on the warships modelled in WCDB but it does give an idea of the priorities we gave to the different calibres of gun batteries.

Thanks.

[JMS]

Hi,

I know Colon never had its guns installed thanks to incompetence on our side, mostly. What i wanted to convey is that the Italian Garibaldi in the game show the secondaries as 6 inch rather than the twin 8 inch it had. It's a rather minor mistake since Kasuga can stand in as it is, but it would be better if it's corrected. :)

I like the CCF idea and it's really a very minor quibble wether to add the smaller calibers since there are no trorpedo boats and destroyer should be dealt with at least 100mm in my opinion.

[Warship NWS]

Hi,

I know Colon never had its guns installed thanks to incompetence on our side, mostly. What i wanted to convey is that the Italian Garibaldi in the game show the secondaries as 6 inch rather than the twin 8 inch it had. It's a rather minor mistake since Kasuga can stand in as it is, but it would be better if it's corrected. :)


That was a slight oops on our part.. it should be 1/1/14 - 10"/8"/6". It will be corrected in the next update. Thanks for the report.

[Warship NWS]

I like the CCF idea and it's really a very minor quibble wether to add the smaller calibers since there are no trorpedo boats and destroyer should be dealt with at least 100mm in my opinion.


They could be usefull against the smaller craft to disrupt their attacks, cause casualties, etc.. a lot depended on whether they could used effectively in combat due to other mitigating circumstances. As WW1 torpedo boats turned into larger destroyers their effectivenss was greatly reduced due to lack of hitting power, but, smaller attack craft were still being built even up through WW2 that mounted torpedoes, example E-Boats and PT Boats. However during WW2 the addition of rapid fire AA weapons on major warship classes made attacks by smaller craft far more dangerous. Thus the reason for CCF factors to be included in WCDB in future updates when the patrol craft flotillas are added to the mix of possible combat units.

Thanks.

[George LeSauvage]

One question this raises is how the CCF will handle ships, like the 10"/8" Garibaldi variants, & many late OB's (King Edward, Connecticut) which had more than 3 batteries. May I assume that the 3"-range AT guns here will count for CCF? (& what of the mini-AT guns on ships like HMS Warrior, or many early TBD's).

[Warship NWS]

One question this raises is how the CCF will handle ships, like the 10"/8" Garibaldi variants, & many late OB's (King Edward, Connecticut) which had more than 3 batteries. May I assume that the 3"-range AT guns here will count for CCF? (& what of the mini-AT guns on ships like HMS Warrior, or many early TBD's).

WM and myself were just talking about this topic last night. Basically we have 3 options..

1) Add another layer of tertiary batteries or a dual layer of main batteries for ships that had split calibers for their main armaments.

2) Any guns not covered in the 3 layers represented would be covered in the CCF system.

3) Use some combination of both methods above and then only cover guns of less then 3" calibre with the CCF system.

There is a catch however.. adding additional batteries means targets need to be assigned to them thus elongating the targeting procedures. The work around would be to give AI control to the tertaries to auto-engage the closest targets, which I already plan on doing for the CCF system.

The only real measurable effect CCF will have is on torpedo boat flotillas or possibly DDs that get in too close as their effective range and hitting power will be very limited.

Thanks.