China trying to restrict US snooping

[Kyle Holgate]

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20090831.aspx

I wonder though.. if China were to manage to get an economic exclusion zone wouldn't that set a precedent that they may not like in the future? In any case, the US has always been very insistent on free navigation of non-territorial waters. Looks like China will just have to get used to being spied on OR they'll have to get rough, which won't do them any good either I suspect. It will be interesting to see what ends up happening.

[old_pop2000]

Definition: As per UN Convention of the Seas Part V ' Under the law of the sea (http://en.factolex.com/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea), an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a seazone over which a state (http://en.factolex.com/state) has special rights over the exploration and use of marine (http://en.factolex.com/marine:ocean_)resources (http://en.factolex.com/Natural_resource)'. Generally, this zone is 200 nautical miles. Reason for law: 'to give better control of maritime affairs outside territorial limits .'

Ok, now we have a definition of what we or they are talking about. It is nothing to get all upset over, every nation has one.

Now, as far as snooping, we and the Russian's have been snooping with subs, satellites and aircaft for sixy-four years since the end of the WWII. We have used signal intelligence, phone and undersea cable taps and prostitutes to gain information. The Chinese are just not used to it yet. They will get over their suspiciousness eventually.

As far as underground submarine bases, the German's had them, Norwegians, in fact, most countries have some sort of hidden facility to hide their boats, they are just learning. Now is the Vietnam base trouble for the Straits of Malacca? Not really, because they are so shallow (176 feet average) and narrow (211 miles average) that any boat in them, is easily spotted. The Indian's are the ones who are really worried about this development, not the US. Remember, we had a submarine base in Scotland at Holy Loch until 1992, Correct? What's the difference?

Just my opinion, of course.

With My Compliments

[JMS]

Definition: As per UN Convention of the Seas Part V ' Under the law of the sea (http://en.factolex.com/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea), an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a seazone over which a state (http://en.factolex.com/state) has special rights over the exploration and use of marine (http://en.factolex.com/marine:ocean_)resources (http://en.factolex.com/Natural_resource)'. Generally, this zone is 200 nautical miles. Reason for law: 'to give better control of maritime affairs outside territorial limits .'

Ok, now we have a definition of what we or they are talking about. It is nothing to get all upset over, every nation has one.

Now, as far as snooping, we and the Russian's have been snooping with subs, satellites and aircaft for sixy-four years since the end of the WWII. We have used signal intelligence, phone and undersea cable taps and prostitutes to gain information. The Chinese are just not used to it yet. They will get over their suspiciousness eventually.

As far as underground submarine bases, the German's had them, Norwegians, in fact, most countries have some sort of hidden facility to hide their boats, they are just learning. Now is the Vietnam base trouble for the Straits of Malacca? Not really, because they are so shallow (176 feet average) and narrow (211 miles average) that any boat in them, is easily spotted. The Indian's are the ones who are really worried about this development, not the US. Remember, we had a submarine base in Scotland at Holy Loch until 1992, Correct? What's the difference?

Just my opinion, of course.

With My Compliments


IIRC ZEE's came about when extracting oil from the sea bottom became a booming business in North Sea and elsewhere, but it does not imply a restriction on access or rights of passage.

Just noted the phrase on the Chinese not being accostumed. Quite the contrary, they have been snooped as much if not more than the USSR and had a fair collection of shot down U-2s (flown by Taiwanese pilots).

[old_pop2000]

IIRC ZEE's came about when extracting oil from the sea bottom became a booming business in North Sea and elsewhere, but it does not imply a restriction on access or rights of passage.

Just noted the phrase on the Chinese not being accostumed. Quite the contrary, they have been snooped as much if not more than the USSR and had a fair collection of shot down U-2s (flown by Taiwanese pilots).


There are restrictions about navigation near artificial harbors and islands. All navigation laws are enforced in the EEZ. Owning country, can impose other restrictions if deemed necessary.

As far as snooping, we don't really know how much snooping has been exercised against the Chinese. They are just not accustomed to so much attention.